Use Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the H atom

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The discussion revolves around applying the Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the hydrogen atom, specifically within the context of the Bohr model. The original poster presents calculations related to the maximum kinetic energy of an electron and its implications for momentum and spatial confinement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the maximum momentum of an electron and subsequently use the Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the hydrogen atom. They express confusion regarding the discrepancy between their calculated value and the expected answer, questioning the necessity of dividing their result by half.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the application of the Uncertainty Principle, with some questioning the formulation used. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the principle, and one participant expresses concern about the correctness of their approach, while another offers reassurance regarding the derivation.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of past exam papers that reference the Uncertainty Principle, indicating a potential inconsistency in the formulation encountered by the original poster and others. This suggests that participants are navigating varying definitions or interpretations of the principle in their studies.

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Homework Statement



In Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, the max. kinetic energy that an electron can have is around 13.6 eV, as it would otherwise not be confined to the atom.

Uncertainty Principle: ΔxΔy ≥ h/2π

a) Find the max. momentum of such confined electron.
b) Use Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the H atom.

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The Attempt at a Solution



for part a)
13.6 (eV) ≈ 2.18E-18 (J)

use E = 0.5 m v^2

i found v ≈ 2.2E6 (m/s)

use p = mv

i found the max. momentum of the e- is 2E-24 (Ns)

for part b)

i knew the max. energy the the e- can have is 13.6 eV,
therefore it can have energy from 0 - 13.6 eV,
therefore Δp = 2E-24
use the Uncertainty Principle,

Δx = \frac{h}{2πΔp}

and i put all the number in, and found
Δx = 5.28E-11

however the correct answer is 2.6E-11

i don't know why i need to divide the Δx by half to get the answer.
 
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But my past exam paper said the equation is ΔxΔy ≥ h/2pi ...
 
samsun2024 said:
But my past exam paper said the equation is ΔxΔy ≥ h/2pi ...

Well, there is some confusion in using the uncertainty principle.

ehild
 
so, is the way that i am doing correct?
cos i have done few past exam papers and all of them have one question about uncertainty principle...
 
I think your derivation is correct.

ehild
 
my worry are gone now, thanks a lot =]
 

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