Using an angle and time to find Acceleration

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The problem involves estimating the takeoff speed of a jetliner based on the angle of a dangling watch and the time taken for takeoff. The subject area includes concepts of acceleration, vectors, and trigonometry in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between vertical and horizontal components of acceleration, questioning how to apply trigonometric functions to find the horizontal acceleration from the given angle. There is confusion regarding the use of negative values in acceleration and the correct trigonometric function to use.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using tangent to relate the angle to acceleration, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations and questioning their results. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the approach without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of vector components and the application of trigonometric functions in a physics context, with some expressing uncertainty about the calculations and assumptions made.

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Homework Statement


Jean, who likes physics experiments, dangles her watch from a thin piece of string while the jetliner she is in takes off from Dulles Airport. She notices that the string makes an angle of 21° with respect to the vertical while the aircraft accelerates for takeoff, which takes about 16 seconds. Estimate the takeoff speed of the aircraft.


Homework Equations


Fnet=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


In my class we've just been these problems with 2 variables and I'm confused about finding the first part of the problem so that I can do the later half. I know that since I have time I'm trying to find acceleration or velocity but I don't know where to begin.
 
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swede5670 said:

Homework Statement


Jean, who likes physics experiments, dangles her watch from a thin piece of string while the jetliner she is in takes off from Dulles Airport. She notices that the string makes an angle of 21° with respect to the vertical while the aircraft accelerates for takeoff, which takes about 16 seconds. Estimate the takeoff speed of the aircraft.

Homework Equations


Fnet=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


In my class we've just been these problems with 2 variables and I'm confused about finding the first part of the problem so that I can do the later half. I know that since I have time I'm trying to find acceleration or velocity but I don't know where to begin.

Acceleration can be treated as a vector like velocity.

In your dangling case then there are 2 components. 1) the vertical acceleration of gravity. And 2) the horizontal acceleration moving the watch at an angle.

If you know what the vertical component is (g), and you know the angle 21°, then I trust you know enough geometry to figure out what the horizontal acceleration is and then using acceleration and time to figure out what speed it accelerated to in 16 seconds.
 
So when I use acceleration as a vector does g just equal the acceleration of gravity or 9.81?
In that case I'm going to first solve for cosine like this:
9.81/X = Cosine (21)
9.81/Cosine(21) = -17.910 m/s/s
Should I have a negative here?
 
If that is correct then my acceleration is -17.910 m/s^2
Do i convert this to a velocity by multiplying by the 16 seconds? So my speed is 286 m/s?
I just submitted this online and evidently that's wrong. What did I do wrong?
 
swede5670 said:
So when I use acceleration as a vector does g just equal the acceleration of gravity or 9.81?
In that case I'm going to first solve for cosine like this:
9.81/X = Cosine (21)
9.81/Cosine(21) = -17.910 m/s/s
Should I have a negative here?

First of all you want to use degrees °, not radians. There goes your negative number.

Second of all you might want to use Tangent 21°
because if you draw things out you will see that a/g = tan21° => a = tan 21° * g
 
Alright so tan (21) * 9.81 = 3.7657 m/s^2
then multiply by 16 to get my velocity?
 
swede5670 said:
Alright so tan (21) * 9.81 = 3.7657 m/s^2
then multiply by 16 to get my velocity?

Looks about right.

That comes to something like 60m/s or roughly 135 mph.
 

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