Using inverse to find eigenvalues

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The discussion revolves around the concept of finding eigenvalues using the inverse of a matrix, specifically examining the expression \( A - 2I \) and its invertibility. Participants are exploring the implications of matrix inverses in the context of eigenvalue determination.

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  • Some participants question the validity of using the inverse of \( A - 2I \) in the context of finding eigenvalues, noting that eigenvalue problems typically involve non-invertible matrices. Others discuss the specific calculations of \( A - 2I \) and its inverse, raising concerns about the assumptions made regarding the eigenvalues of matrix \( A \).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing calculations and questioning the assumptions behind the use of matrix inverses in eigenvalue problems. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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I don't understand how if ##(A - 2I_2)^{-1}## has an inverse then the next line is true.

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$$
A-2I =\begin{pmatrix}1&-2\\1&-2\end{pmatrix}-\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&2\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}-1&-2\\1&-4\end{pmatrix}
$$
and thus ##(A-2I)^{-1}=\dfrac{1}{6}\begin{pmatrix}-4&2\\-1&-1\end{pmatrix}##

So ##A-2I## is invertible. Since we have ##A\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=2I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix},## we get
$$
A\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}-2I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}= (A-2I)\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}
$$
Applying ##(A-2I)^{-1}## on both sides results in
$$
(A-2I)^{-1}\cdot (A-2I)\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}= I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} =\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} =(A-2I)^{-1}\cdot \begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}
$$
 
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The thread title, "Using inverse to find eigenvalues," doesn't make sense to me. When your goal is to find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a given matrix A, the matrix expression you work with is by definition noninvertible. The process of finding eigenvalues involves a matrix expression whose determinant is zero; i.e., ##|A - \lambda I| = 0##. The determinant of a invertible matrix is always nonzero.

The matrix expression ##A - 2I_2## in this thread turns out to be invertible precisely because 2 is not an eigenvalue of A. If the author of the material in the picture you uploaded has a point, it's not clear to me what it is.

The matrix A - 2I that fresh_42 shows is the same as the matrix A I found in your thread from yesterday, namely ##A = \begin{bmatrix}-1 & -2 \\ 1 & -4 \end{bmatrix}##. I mentioned yesterday that the eigenvalues for this matrix expression happen to be -2 and -3.

The matrix ##A + 2I_2 = A - (-2)I_2 = \begin{bmatrix}1 & -2 \\ 1 & -2 \end{bmatrix}##. Because the determinant of ##A + 2I_2 = 0##, ##A + 2I_2## does not have an inverse. The same is true for the matrix ##A + 3I_2 = A - (-3)I_2##.

The process of finding an eigenvalue ##\lambda## for a matrix A is this:
  1. Write the matrix ##A - \lambda I_n##, with n = 2 for 2 x 2 matrices, n = 3 for 3 x 3 matrices, and so on.
  2. Set the determinant of ##A - \lambda I_n## to zero, and solve the resulting polynomial involving powers of ##\lambda##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
$$
A-2I =\begin{pmatrix}1&-2\\1&-2\end{pmatrix}-\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&2\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}-1&-2\\1&-4\end{pmatrix}
$$
and thus ##(A-2I)^{-1}=\dfrac{1}{6}\begin{pmatrix}-4&2\\-1&-1\end{pmatrix}##
The attached image in post 1 of this thread doesn't specify any particular matrix, so it's not possible to determine the entries of A - 2I. You might be confusing what was in the hand-drawn sketch of the previous thread from the OP, which itself was confused.
fresh_42 said:
So ##A-2I## is invertible. Since we have ##A\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=2I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix},## we get
$$
A\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}-2I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}= (A-2I)\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}
$$
Applying ##(A-2I)^{-1}## on both sides results in
$$
(A-2I)^{-1}\cdot (A-2I)\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}= I\cdot \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} =\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} =(A-2I)^{-1}\cdot \begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\end{pmatrix}
$$
 
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Mark44 said:
The attached image in post 1 of this thread doesn't specify any particular matrix, so it's not possible to determine the entries of A - 2I.
Occam's razor. Why complicate things? I do not debate typos.

However, the nice part is: it does not even matter! The line of the argument remains the same if ##A## has a different form as long as ##A-2I## remains regular!
 
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fresh_42 said:
Occam's razor. Why complicate things?
The OP is already sufficiently confused as evidenced in the thread title, in thinking that finding the inverse of a matrix plays any role in finding eigenvalues. Muddying up the water by tossing in a specific matrix where none was given doesn't help alleviate that confusion.
 
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