Using Mathematica vs pen and paper in Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the experiences and preferences of participants regarding the use of pen and paper versus software like Mathematica and SageMath for symbolic calculations in physics. It explores the implications of each method on problem-solving and learning processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to transition from primarily using pen and paper to relying more on symbolic software for calculations, questioning the practicality of this shift.
  • There is curiosity about whether individuals start their problem-solving process directly in software without preliminary formulation on paper.
  • One participant mentions that they often formulate problems on paper first, especially when the problems are straightforward, before using software tools.
  • Another participant challenges the claim that software cannot draw pictures, asserting that programs like Mathematica can produce high-quality graphs.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential cognitive effects of relying on software, with some arguing that it enhances computer problem-solving skills rather than diminishing hand-solving abilities.
  • One participant argues that Mathematica should not replace pen and paper but rather complement it, especially for tasks that require computational work.
  • Another participant states that Mathematica is insufficient for most of their calculations, using it primarily for specific tasks like integrals and graphing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the balance between using software and traditional methods, with no consensus on whether one approach is superior or if they should be used in tandem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations of software, including its inability to handle certain calculations and the cognitive implications of reliance on technology versus manual problem-solving.

ohannuks
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Hi!

I'd like to discuss your experiences with pen and paper vs software. Especially young people are welcome to join the discussion :)

I'm wondering if there are people who do *most* of the symbolic calculations on a computer. I am very familiar with pen and paper and I've been wondering whether it would be worth a try to see if I can get familiar enough with symbolic software such as SageMath or Mathematica that I could use it for most of my work. Do you think this makes sense?

My current way of working is with pen and paper and occasionally Mathematica (when I need to e.g. simplify long expressions of if I know an integral has an answer I plug it in). I see obvious pros and cons to using software (pros being that it's programmable, it's very good at pattern matching and has a large database for doing stuff, cons being that it's not always very flexible, can't draw pictures and some say it makes the user dumber)
 
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I'm especially curious if there are any people who actually start off with Sage/Mathematica, e.g. they want to solve a problem and they open up Mathematica and start working on it right off the bat without first formulating the problem on pen and paper.
 
I do formulate the problem with pen and paper, often times, the problems are quite trivial, I know exactly what to do when I want to solve it with Mathematica/Matlab or what have you.
 
ohannuks said:
[...]can't draw pictures[...]
Every symbolic mathematical computation program that I've heard of, including Mathematica, can plot graphs. They draw better pictures than any human.
ohannuks said:
[...]some say it makes the user dumber[...]
Using a computer won't make you better at solving problems by hand, but it will make you better at solving problems by computer, which is not dumber.
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There's another recent discussion thread asking about the greatest mathematicians ever. My reply was basically that present day mathemagicians are capable of so much more than their predecessors that it is hard to even compare them. One of the reasons for this is the printing press. We have the collected knowledge of everyone who bothered to publish their work. The other reason is computers. They extend our abilities, particularly with math, to levels that... (I'm having trouble thinking of something appropriately hyperbolic and all that's coming back is "to infinity, and beyond!")
 
I don't think one should use mathematica as an alternative to pen/paper. It complements it. There are some stuff that you absolutely cannot do with pen/paper, for example, computational work. However, for managing some integrals and such, I'd say that pen/paper should be your 1st go-to.
 
Mathematica is not capable of doing most of the calculations I do. I work things out by hand, and use Mathematica for incidental things like doing integrals or making graphs.
 

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