Using recoil of atom to find correct in wavelength of emitted photon

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The discussion revolves around the recoil of an atom and its relation to the wavelength of an emitted photon. The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy and momentum to derive a correction factor for the wavelength change, but reports difficulties in achieving the expected results.

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy and momentum conservation principles, questioning the assumptions about the initial state of the atom and the nature of the incoming photon. There is a focus on the conditions under which the atom emits a photon and the implications of approximations in calculations.

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Some participants provide clarifications regarding the initial conditions of the atom and the role of the incoming photon. There is an acknowledgment of the need for approximations in the calculations, with some guidance offered on how to approach the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note that the atom is initially at rest and discuss the implications of this assumption on the calculations. The conversation also touches on the smallness of the correction factor and whether it can be neglected in the context of the problem.

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So firstly, the book supplies the answer of \Delta\lambda = \frac{h}{2mc}

I use energy and momentum conservation. I say the total energy is that of the incoming photon, which is then changed to energy of the photon released, and kinetic energy of the atom, from the recoil. I say the same thing, but for momentum, with momentum conservation. Thus I get the equations I'm using. However, the three ideas I can come up with all give incorrect answers. 2 and 3 are obviously closer, as we know the correction is very small, but it's not what I'm looking for.

Thus, I cannot figure out how to get the correct answer. I am unsure where I'm going wrong. Thanks for any help.
 
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Which incoming photon do you mean? The atom emits a photon, it does not receive one.
You need both energy and momentum conservation here. The net momentum of the system (photon+atom) is zero.
 
mfb said:
Which incoming photon do you mean? The atom emits a photon, it does not receive one.
You need both energy and momentum conservation here. The net momentum of the system (photon+atom) is zero.

To emit a photon, it needs to be in an excited state. I'm saying the photon it absorbs is the one that puts it in the excited state, giving it the energy needed to emit in the first place.
 
I'm saying the photon it absorbs is the one that puts it in the excited state, giving it the energy needed to emit in the first place.
It can get excited in other ways, too. Anyway, the excited atom is at rest initially here.
 
mfb said:
It can get excited in other ways, too. Anyway, the excited atom is at rest initially here.

The below is what I get when I try it with the atom at rest:

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Even now, I still run into a problem. I appreciate that the quantity in brackets is extremely close to 1, but is it safe to just ignore it?
 
Right, that is exactly the approximation you need here.
$$\frac{\lambda_f}{\lambda_r} = \frac{\lambda_r-\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} = 1-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} \approx 1$$
 
mfb said:
Right, that is exactly the approximation you need here.
$$\frac{\lambda_f}{\lambda_r} = \frac{\lambda_r-\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} = 1-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} \approx 1$$

Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

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