Valentine’s Reflections: Mathematical Matters of the Heart

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This thread discusses mathematical expressions and problems related to polynomial equations, particularly in the context of Valentine's Day themes. Participants explore the derivation of polynomial functions, their inverses, and potential applications in homework problems.

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  • Participants discuss the need for citations for mathematical expressions used in homework, with a specific Bibtex citation provided by one user.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving a fourth-order polynomial equation, indicating it is beyond their mathematical reach.
  • Another participant encourages the first to attempt solving the polynomial, noting that they already know two solutions.
  • A detailed derivation of a polynomial equation is presented, leading to the identification of solutions and a discussion of the discriminant related to the quadratic factor.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical expressions and the need for citations, but there is uncertainty regarding the complexity of solving the polynomial, with differing levels of confidence in their abilities to tackle the problem.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the participants' familiarity with polynomial equations. The derivation presented may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of the variables involved.

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Please suggest a citation for anyone who wish to use these expressions (e.g. for homework problems...).
 
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Useful nucleus said:
Please suggest a citation for anyone who wish to use these expressions (e.g. for homework problems...).

Bibtex Code follows - is that ok ?

@misc{Valentine Reflections online,
author = {Neil Parker},
title = {Valentine's Reflections: Mathematical Matters of the Heart},
howpublished = {\url{https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/valentines-reflections-mathematical-matters-of-the-heart/}},
month = {March},
year = {2021},
note = {(Accessed on 03/02/2021)}
}
 
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Thank you!
 
"needing to solve a polynomial of order 4: y = − x ( x − 4 ) = y ( y − 4 ) ( − y ( y − 4 ) − 4 ) , or − y 4 + 8 y 3 − 20 y 2 + 15 y = 0 . Since such a task is well out of my mathematical reach, "It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
 
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"needing to solve a polynomial of order 4: y = − x ( x − 4 ) = y ( y − 4 ) ( − y ( y − 4 ) − 4 ) , or − y 4 + 8 y 3 − 20 y 2 + 15 y = 0 . Since such a task is well out of my mathematical reach, "It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
True enough - should have seen that one! Perhaps a little bit 'knee jerk' to send it off to WA!
 
epenguin said:
It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
Ok - better give it a go then!

$$y=-x(x-k) ; x=-y(y-k) \implies
y=y(y-k)(-y(y-k)-k)$$ $$ \implies
-y=y(y-k)(y(y-k)+k)=(y^2-ky)(y^2-ky+k)$$ $$\implies -y=y^4-ky^3+ky^2-ky^3+ky^2-k^2y$$ $$\implies 0=y^4-2ky^3+2ky^2-(k^2-1)y=y(y-(k-1))(y^2-(k+1)y+(k+1))$$ From which we obtain the two solutions at (0;0) and (0;k-1). The discriminant of the third factor quadratic is $$(k+1)^2-4(k+1)=k^2-2k-3=(k-3)(k+1)$$ in accordance with the WA solution.
 

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