Valentine’s Reflections: Mathematical Matters of the Heart

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The discussion focuses on mathematical expressions related to polynomials, particularly a fourth-order polynomial equation. Participants explore the function y = -x(x-k) and its inverse, discussing derivatives and reflections. A specific polynomial, -y^4 + 8y^3 - 20y^2 + 15y = 0, is analyzed, with emphasis on finding solutions using known values. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing existing solutions to simplify complex problems. Overall, the thread combines mathematical theory with practical problem-solving techniques.
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Please suggest a citation for anyone who wish to use these expressions (e.g. for homework problems...).
 
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Useful nucleus said:
Please suggest a citation for anyone who wish to use these expressions (e.g. for homework problems...).

Bibtex Code follows - is that ok ?

@misc{Valentine Reflections online,
author = {Neil Parker},
title = {Valentine's Reflections: Mathematical Matters of the Heart},
howpublished = {\url{https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/valentines-reflections-mathematical-matters-of-the-heart/}},
month = {March},
year = {2021},
note = {(Accessed on 03/02/2021)}
}
 
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Thank you!
 
"needing to solve a polynomial of order 4: y = − x ( x − 4 ) = y ( y − 4 ) ( − y ( y − 4 ) − 4 ) , or − y 4 + 8 y 3 − 20 y 2 + 15 y = 0 . Since such a task is well out of my mathematical reach, "It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
 
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epenguin said:
"needing to solve a polynomial of order 4: y = − x ( x − 4 ) = y ( y − 4 ) ( − y ( y − 4 ) − 4 ) , or − y 4 + 8 y 3 − 20 y 2 + 15 y = 0 . Since such a task is well out of my mathematical reach, "It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
True enough - should have seen that one! Perhaps a little bit 'knee jerk' to send it off to WA!
 
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It is not beyond your reach when you already know, as you do, two of the solutions!
Ok - better give it a go then!

$$y=-x(x-k) ; x=-y(y-k) \implies
y=y(y-k)(-y(y-k)-k)$$ $$ \implies
-y=y(y-k)(y(y-k)+k)=(y^2-ky)(y^2-ky+k)$$ $$\implies -y=y^4-ky^3+ky^2-ky^3+ky^2-k^2y$$ $$\implies 0=y^4-2ky^3+2ky^2-(k^2-1)y=y(y-(k-1))(y^2-(k+1)y+(k+1))$$ From which we obtain the two solutions at (0;0) and (0;k-1). The discriminant of the third factor quadratic is $$(k+1)^2-4(k+1)=k^2-2k-3=(k-3)(k+1)$$ in accordance with the WA solution.
 

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