Value added courses for mechanical engineering?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the value and timing of pursuing value-added courses in mechanical engineering, specifically focusing on topics such as lean manufacturing, six sigma, quality control, and 5S. Participants explore whether these courses should be taken during academic studies or while working in the industry.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that courses like lean manufacturing and six sigma should be pursued, but questions the timing—whether during studies or while working.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of management fads, arguing that foundational knowledge in engineering should take precedence over these courses.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that lean manufacturing is based on hard science, contrasting it with other management trends that may lack substance.
  • One participant shares their experience of being pressured to implement six sigma analysis at work, suggesting that these concepts could be simplified and integrated into practical projects rather than requiring separate courses.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that the principles could be summarized succinctly, advocating for a focus on core mechanical engineering subjects instead.
  • Conversely, a participant argues that studying 6S and lean manufacturing is beneficial, citing their experience in a major manufacturing company where these concepts were valued and integrated into the company culture.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the value of value-added courses, with some advocating for their importance and others dismissing them as management fads. There is no consensus on whether these courses are essential or when they should be pursued.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the cyclical nature of management trends and the varying perceptions of their importance in the engineering field. The discussion reflects differing attitudes towards the integration of these concepts into engineering education and practice.

ajayguhan
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i'm doing my second year B.tech in Mechanical engineering.

value added courses such as:
1. lean manufacturing
2. six sigma
3. Quality Control
4. 5's
when should i do such courses?
should i do it while I'm working or in the third year.
 
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There are management fads that infest the industry every few years. I can remember TPM and TPO, ISO 9000, and now Six Sigma.

Learn how things work first. Let the management fashionistas have their way with different silliness every few years. If you dare to keep up, try not to sound like these people. Most who actually know their way around the business tire of that sort of thing.
 
JakeBrodskyPE said:
There are management fads that infest the industry every few years. I can remember TPM and TPO, ISO 9000, and now Six Sigma.

Learn how things work first. Let the management fashionistas have their way with different silliness every few years. If you dare to keep up, try not to sound like these people. Most who actually know their way around the business tire of that sort of thing.

I would agree...and the only item that doesn't fall into the "fuzzy-feely" category is Lean Manufacturing. That's hard science.


eric
 
I never had such courses during my studies. Where I work now, we are constantly harassed by people saying we should do a six-sigma analysis for quality control using 5s. It's all in the framework of lean manufacturing of course. To be honest, these concepts can all be documented in detail on a single page and it would be very silly to spend an entire course on it. They are in principle important concepts that just get relabeled every 5 years or so, but they should simply be integrated in some kind of group design project.
 
bigfooted said:
To be honest, these concepts can all be documented in detail on a single page
And in the spirit of lean manufacturing, you should do that without using any ink :biggrin:

Spend your time at college learning some Mech Eng. Yes I know the ME courses are probably harder than this happy-clappy-mangement stuff, but you usually have to work for the worthwhile things in life.
 
I'm going to go against the grain and say that 6S and Lean are in fact highly beneficial to study. I used to work at one of the world's largest manufacturing companies and both of those topics were highly valued. A lot of senior engineering management tended to have strong backgrounds in 6S, and it was something that was instilled into the culture. To label them as "fas" is pretty ignorant, and fairly indicative of the poor attitudes to quality and efficiency often seen in the West that has allowed manufacturing to decline and places in the East like Japan to really give us a run for our money.
 

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