Variation of Ricci scalar wrt derivative of metric

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The discussion centers on the variation of the Ricci scalar with respect to the metric tensor and its derivatives in the context of General Relativity (GR). The expression $$\frac{\delta R}{\delta g^{\mu\nu}}=R_{\mu\nu}$$ is confirmed as the variation of the Ricci scalar with respect to the inverse metric, resulting in the Ricci tensor. However, the variation $$\frac{\delta R}{\delta(\partial_\lambda g^{\mu\nu})$$ is questioned, with participants noting the complexity and lack of reliable online resources for such expressions. The consensus suggests that textbooks are the best source for understanding these variations.

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I understand from the wiki entry on the Einstein-Hilbert action that:
$$\frac{\delta R}{\delta g^{\mu\nu}}=R_{\mu\nu}$$
What is the following?
$$\frac{\delta R}{\delta(\partial_\lambda g^{\mu\nu})}$$
Is there a place I could look up such GR expressions on the internet?
Thanks
 
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I'm not sure about your first identity. For the second: I wouldn't know where to find such a monster. It's not a tensor, so you cannot use clever guesswork to derive its form. Maybe someone else knows.
 
jcap said:
the wiki entry on the Einstein-Hilbert action

I assume you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–Hilbert_action

jcap said:
$$\frac{\delta R}{\delta g^{\mu\nu}}=R_{\mu\nu}$$

This is a somewhat sloppy (i.e., many physicists are OK with it but many mathematicians get ulcers from looking at things like it) way of saying that the variation of the Ricci scalar ##R## with respect to the inverse metric ##g^{\mu \nu}## is the Ricci tensor ##R_{\mu \nu}##.

jcap said:
What is the following?
$$\frac{\delta R}{\delta(\partial_\lambda g^{\mu\nu})}$$

Where are you seeing this expression? I don't see it in the Wikipedia article.

jcap said:
Is there a place I could look up such GR expressions on the internet?

I have no idea, but even if there is one, I'm not sure how reliable it would be. The best way to learn what such expressions mean is to look at things called "textbooks".
 
It's ok - I've discovered I don't need this expression. I got confused between using an Euler-Lagrange equation and doing the variation by hand.

Thanks! :)
 
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