Vector Fields and Vector Bundles

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The discussion revolves around vector fields and vector bundles, exploring the relationships between differentiable manifolds and the properties of vector fields defined on them. Participants address specific mathematical problems related to the definitions and implications of f-related vector fields, as well as the theoretical underpinnings of vector bundles.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the identity f_{*p}(X(p))=Y_{f(p)} and how it manifests in terms of specific vector field representations.
  • Another participant suggests that the concepts discussed are akin to advanced applications of the chain rule in calculus.
  • A participant provides a detailed explanation of vector bundles, including examples such as the tangent spaces to spheres and the projective plane, emphasizing the nature of continuous vector fields.
  • There is mention of various resources for studying vector bundles, including Milnor's notes, Atiyah's K-theory book, and Spivak's differential geometry text.
  • One participant shares a link to free notes by Allen Hatcher, suggesting they cover similar material to the original sources mentioned.
  • Another participant notes that Spivak's work is influenced by Milnor, indicating a connection between the two authors' approaches to the subject.

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I need help solving the following problem:

Let M,N be differentiable manifolds, and f\in C^\infty(M,N). We say that the fields X\in \mathfrak{X}(M) and Y \in \mathfrak{X}(N) are f-related if and only if f_{*p}(X(p))=Y_{f(p)} for all p\in M.

Prove that:

(a) X and Y are f-related if and only if X(g \circ f)=Y(g) \circ f, for all g\in C^\infty(M).

(b) If X_i is f-related with Y_i, i=1,2, then [X_1,X_2] is f-related with [Y_1,Y_2].


I know this is silly, but my main problem is that i don't know how the identity f_{*p}(X(p))=Y_{f(p)} looks like. What i mean is the following:

If X=\sum_{i=1}^m X_i \frac{\partial }{\partial x_i}, and Y=\sum_{j=1}^m Y_j \frac{\partial }{\partial y_j}, then

f_{*p}(X(p))=f_{*p}(\sum_{i=1}^m X_i(p) \frac{\partial }{\partial x_i})=\sum_{i=1}^m f_{*p}(X_i(p) \frac{\partial }{\partial x_i})

so

f_{*p}(X(p))=\sum_{i=1}^m f_{*p}(X_i(p))\frac{\partial }{\partial x_i}+X_i(p) f_{*p}(\frac{\partial }{\partial x_i})=\sum_{j=1}^m Y_j (f(p))\frac{\partial }{\partial y_j}.

Is this correct?

Another question. Does anyone know some good online notes regarding vector bundles?
 
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these are just fancy versions of the chain rule.th standard intro to bundles was milnors princeton notes, later written up and published by stasheff.

and the early parts of atiyahs k theory book.

oh and spivaks dif geom vol 1.

these are not free anymore i guess. have you tried searching google under "notes on vector bundles"?
 
a vector bundle is a continuous family of vector spaces. a basic example is the family of tangent spaces to the sphere, one plane for each point, thought oif as disjoint. thus a point of the tangent bundle is a pair, (p,v) where p is a point of the sphere and v is a vector tangent to the sphere at p. it makes sense to say a pair (p,v) is near the pair (q,w) if p is near q, and v is near w, i.e. if both head and foot of v are near respectively both head and foot of w.

given a vector bundle on a manifold like the sphere, then the basic question is whether it is possible to find a continuous family of vectors, one at each point of the sphere, i.e. a continuoius map from the sphere to the tangent bundle that takes p to some pair (p,v).

such a family is called a continuous vector field.

given a manifold, a basic question is what are all the vector bundles on that manifold. that is called k theory. for some reason.

the most fundamental, or tautological, vector field is the one on a grassmannian, like the projective plane. by definition the projective plane is the family of all lines through the origin of euclidean 3 spoace.

hence every "poibnt" is anturally associated to a line, anmely itwelf. so projective space comes equipped with a natural or tautological lien bundle, as follows:let E be euclidean 3 space, and let P be the projective plane, i.e. P = (E-0)/k* where k* = the non zero scalars acting on E-0 by scalar multiplication. i.e. E-0 is the punctured euclidean space, and P is the set of equivalence classes of points, where points on the same punctured line through the origin are equivalent.

then each point p of E-0 determines a line, namely the one it spans togetehr with 0. thus consider all pairs (p,L) in ExP, where p lies on the line L.

this is aline bundle over P, with the inverse image of each "point" L of P being the line of points on L.

similarly, one can define the grassmannian Gr(k,n) of k planes through the origin of n space. this space of equivalence classes of points on the same k plane, carries a natural tautological k plane bundle.

niow the basic theory of vector bundles and their classification is this: given any manifold M and map M--->Gr(k,n) there is anatrual k plane bundle on M pulled back from the tautological one on Gr.

And conversely, given any k plane bundle on M, there is a map M-->Gr, such that the pullback bundle is equivalent to the original one.

moreover homotopic maps from m to Gr pullback equivalent bundles.

hence the classification of bundles on M is the same as the analysis of homotopy clases of maps from M to Gr.

moreover, anyone bundle has a natural sequnec of obstruction classes in tis cohomology that emasure the possibility of finding independent r tuples of vector fields, called characteristic classes.

sinbce the theory of vector bundle clasification says all bundles are pullbacks of the tautological ones, it follows that for all bundles the natural cahracteristic classes can be regarded as pullbacks of the concrete classes on Gr.

thus the cohomology of grasmannians is basic to th stduy of vectorbundles.this much is about what everyone nows abut vectro bun\dles, and rougly what irecall from second year in gradschool. there are also comutational techniques like whitneys product formula, and the trick of comouting classes of a hyopersurface from an embedding, using the fact that the sum of the the normal bundle and tangent bundle equals the ambient trivial bundle of euclidean space.

this stuff is nicely described in [an exercise?] in bott- tu.
 
Thx a lot for the reply mathwonk.

I have with me Spivaks book. Sadly, the notes of Milnor wherent abailable in my school library (I guess someone esle in my course took them).

I'll keep reading Spivaks and anything on the web i can find.
 
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try thesew free notes from allen hatcher:

http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/VBKT/VBpage.html

what i have described seems to be the first parts of chap 1 and of chap 3 of hatcher.

hatchers book is apparently just his synthesis of the other books i have mentioned where the originators of the theory described their own work.

hence the other books are preferable as original sources, but his books are well regarded and free.
 
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spivak is milnors student, so his version will have benefited from milnors.
 
Thx a lot :)
 
my pleasure.
 

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