Vector Potential of a Rotating Mangetic Dipole

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rotating magnetic dipole created by two oscillating magnetic dipole moments along the x and y axes. The objective is to find the vector potential at a specific point along the z-axis and subsequently determine the magnetic field and induced electric field using Faraday's laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the vector potential using the cross product of the magnetic dipole moment and the position vector. They express uncertainty about their results and the dependence of the magnetic field on the z-coordinate.
  • Some participants question the original poster's interpretation of the results, particularly regarding the dependence on z0 and the implications of the equations used.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the approach to finding the induced electric field, proposing the use of an alternative equation involving the vector potential.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific equations, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential assumptions about the magnetic dipole's behavior and the implications of the equations involved. There is mention of the absence of free charge densities affecting the potential V.

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Homework Statement


A rotating magnetic dipole is built by two oscillating magnetic dipole moments, one along the y-axis and one along the x-axis. Find the vector potential at a point: (0, 0, ##z_0##) along the z-axis. Then find the magnetic field at ##z_0## . As the magnetic field is a function of time, determine the induced Electric field from Faraday's laws. The magnetic dipole moment is given as a function of time as (##m_0## is a constant)
## \vec m ## = ##m_0 [cos(\omega t) \hat x + sin(\omega t) \hat y]##

Homework Equations


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##\vec A_{dip} (\vec r) = \frac {\mu_0} {4 \pi} \frac 1 {r^3} \vec m \times \vec r##

##\vec B = \vec \nabla \times \vec A##

Induced electric field, Faraday's law:

##\vec E = \frac 1 {4 \pi}## ## \int ## ##[({\frac {\partial \vec B} {\partial t}} {\times \mathcal {\hat r}})## ##\frac 1 {\mathcal {r^2}}]##

The Attempt at a Solution



Since I am given the magnetic dipole moment, I attempted to find the vector potential by taking the cross product of ##\vec m## with ##\vec r##. I took ##\vec r## to be: ##{<x \hat x, y \hat y, z \hat z>}## which
After taking the cross product I got:

##\vec m \times \vec r = m_0 z sin(\omega t) \hat x - m_0 z cos(\omega t) \hat y + (m_0 cos(\omega t) y - m_0 sin(\omega t) x) \hat z##

Since I'm taking the potential at the point (0, 0, ##z_0##) I think I put that into the cross product which would mean my vector potential would be equal to:

##\vec A_{dip} (\vec r) = (\frac { \mu_0 m_0 z_0} {4 \pi r^3})(sin(\omega t) \hat x - cos(\omega t) \hat y)##

I'm not entirely sure that this is right but when I try to take the cross product of ##\vec A_{dip} (\vec r)## to find the magnetic field, I came up with:

##\vec \nabla \times \vec A_{dip} =(\frac { \mu_0 m_0 z_0} {4 \pi r^3}) (2cos(\omega t) \hat x + 2sin(\omega t) \hat y)##

which has no dependence on the z coordinate. I'm wondering if I maybe approached this problem wrong? Help would be much appreciated thank you!
 
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allison west said:
... which has no dependence on the z coordinate.
I am not sure what you mean. Isn't there a z0 in your expression? It looks like you have a 1/z02 dependence because of the r3 in the denominator.
 
kuruman said:
I am not sure what you mean. Isn't there a z0 in your expression? It looks like you have a 1/z02 dependence because of the r3 in the denominator.

Okay that seems to be what I was missing, I was not inputting ##z_0## back into my definition for ##\vec r##. By putting that into the equation I got:

##\vec A_{dip} (\vec r) = (\frac { \mu_0 m_0 } {4 \pi z_0^2})(sin(\omega t) \hat x - cos(\omega t) \hat y)##

and

##\vec B = \vec \nabla \times \vec A##

##\vec B = (\frac { \mu_0 m_0 } {2 \pi z_0^3})(cos(\omega t) \hat x + sin(\omega t) \hat y)##

I believe this makes more sense.

To find the induced Electric field I have to take the time derivative of the magnetic field and cross it with ##\vec R## (the separation vector) I use a capitol R to distinguish it from the other r vectors used above.

##\vec E = \frac 1 {4 \pi}## ## \int ## ##[({\frac {\partial \vec B} {\partial t}} {\times \mathcal {\vec R}})## ##\frac 1 {\mathcal {r^2}}]##

##\vec R = \vec r - \vec r'##

##\vec R = < (x-x') \hat x, (y-y') \hat y, (z-z') \hat z > ##

I'm fairly sure that (x, y, z) is equal to (0, 0, ##z_0##) the field point, which makes (x', y', z') the source point?

 
Can't we simply use the equation ##E=-\nabla V-\frac{\partial A}{\partial t}## for this problem V seems to be zero or spatially constant since there are no free charge densities.
 
Delta² said:
Can't we simply use the equation ...
That should work.
 
kuruman said:
That should work.
Thanks for the help!
 

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