Vector Proof: Solving for IuI and IvI using Dot Product Properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proof involving vectors u and v, specifically focusing on the equation (u+v)·(u-v)=0 and its implications for the magnitudes |u| and |v|. Participants explore the properties of the dot product and how to manipulate vector expressions to arrive at the desired conclusion. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to vector spaces.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the proof and seeks guidance on whether their initial approach using the distributive property of the dot product is appropriate.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the definition of the dot product and the vector space being used, suggesting the assumption of ℝⁿ.
  • Several participants recommend using the distributive law step by step to simplify the expression (u+v)·(u-v).
  • There is a discussion about how the definition of |u| changes depending on whether the vectors are in ℝⁿ or ℂⁿ, with one participant noting the importance of complex conjugation in the latter case.
  • A participant provides an example calculation of the magnitude of a vector in both real and complex contexts, highlighting a potential misunderstanding in the application of the dot product.
  • Another participant offers further steps in the proof, indicating a progression in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the distributive property of the dot product and the definitions of vector magnitudes in different spaces. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the implications of working in ℝⁿ versus ℂⁿ, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on the proof's completion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and properties of the dot product in different vector spaces, which may affect their approaches to the proof. There are unresolved questions about the implications of these definitions on the proof's outcome.

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I am having trouble with this proof. I just need a step in the right direction. Let u and v be vectors.
(u+v)*(u-v)=0, then IuI=IvI I have to use properties of the dot product.
I started off by combining both using this property u*(v+w)=u*v+u*w (u,v,w are vectors)
I got lost in all of my mess, after I combined them. Was this a good place to start? I am just so lost right now.
 
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What is your definition of the dot product? In what space are you working? I assume ##\mathbb{R}^n##
 
Use the distributive law step by step: ##(u+v)\cdot (u-v)= u\cdot (u-v) + v\cdot (u-v)##.
 
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Yes I am
Math_QED said:
What is your definition of the dot product? In what space are you working? I assume ##\mathbb{R}^n##
 
fresh_42 said:
Use the distributive law step by step: ##(u+v)\cdot (u-v)= u\cdot (u-v) + v\cdot (u-v)##.

That helps a lot actually I think I know how to do it now.
 
Math_QED said:
What is your definition of the dot product? In what space are you working? I assume ##\mathbb{R}^n##
Does it make a difference if i am working in Rn ?
 
Yes, it does for the definition of ##|u|## as ##\sqrt{u\cdot u}##. In ##\mathbb{C}^n## it would be ##\sqrt{u \cdot \overline{u}}## with complex conjugation in one factor.
 
fresh_42 said:
Yes, it does for the definition of ##|u|## as ##\sqrt{u\cdot u}##. In ##\mathbb{C}^n## it would be ##\sqrt{u \cdot \overline{u}}## with complex conjugation in one factor.
I am confused now..
 
If we have a vector ##u=\begin{bmatrix}1\\2\end{bmatrix}## then ##|u|^2=u\cdot u = 1^2 +2^2 = 5## with the length ##\sqrt{5}##.
If we consider ##u=\begin{bmatrix}i\\2\end{bmatrix}## then the same formula would result in ##|u|^2=u\cdot u = i^2 +2^2 = -1 + 4 = 3## which is wrong, as I didn't actually change the length at all. So in this case the calculation goes ##|u|^2=u \cdot \overline{u}= i\cdot (-i) +2^2 = 5##.
 
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Do you still need help?

##(u+v).(u-v) = 0 \iff (u+v).u - (u+v).v = 0 \iff u.u + v.u - u.v - v.v = 0 \iff \dots##
 
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I got it just got distracted ...
 

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