Vector Spaces: Cartesian vs Tensor products

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the Cartesian product and the tensor product of vector spaces, specifically focusing on their definitions, dimensions, and properties. Participants explore theoretical aspects of these concepts.

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  • Monte questions the dimensional differences between the Cartesian product (V1 x V2) and the tensor product (V1 xc V2) of vector spaces.
  • One participant explains that the Cartesian product can be viewed as a direct sum, where the dimension is the sum of the dimensions of the individual spaces (n + m).
  • The same participant describes the tensor product as a true product that follows the distributive law, resulting in a dimension equal to the product of the dimensions of the spaces (mn).
  • Another participant provides an example of bases for both the Cartesian and tensor products, illustrating the additive nature of dimensions for the Cartesian product and the multiplicative nature for the tensor product.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in understanding the mathematical notation used in the discussion and requests a source with clearer information.

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Participants present differing views on the definitions and implications of the Cartesian and tensor products, with no consensus reached on the best way to understand or represent these concepts.

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Some participants note that the definitions and properties may depend on how addition is defined for Cartesian products, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's scope.

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Hi,

I have a problem understanding the difference between Cartesian product of vector spaces and tensor product. Let V1 and V2 be vector spaces. V1 x V2 is Cartesian product and V1 xc V2 is tensor product (xc for x circled). How many dimensions are in V1 x V2 vs V1 xc V2?

Thanks,

Monte
 
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It really depends how you define addition on cartesian products. The usual definition is

[itex](v_1+v_2,w_1+w_2)=(v_1,w_1)+(v_2,w_2)[/itex]

In this case, the cartesian product is usually called a direct sum, written as [itex]V \oplus W[/itex].
If you think about it, this 'product' is more like a sum--for instance, if [itex]v_1,v_2,...v_n[/itex] are a basis for [itex]V[/itex] and [itex]w_1,w_2,...w_m[/itex] are a basis for W, then a basis for [itex]V \oplus W[/itex] is given by
[itex]v_1 \oplus 0, ..., v_n \oplus 0, 0 \oplus w_1, ..., 0 \oplus w_m[/itex], and so the dimension is [itex]n+m[/itex]

A tensor product, on the other hand, is actually a product (which can be thought of as a concatenation of two vectors) that obeys the distributive law:

[itex](v_1+v_2)\otimes (w_1+w_2)=v_1 \otimes w_1 + v_1 \otimes w_2 + v_2 \otimes w_1 + v_2 \otimes w_2[/itex]

One basis is
[itex]v_1 \otimes w_1, v_1 \otimes w_2, ..., v_2 \otimes w_1, ..., ..., v_n \otimes w_m[/itex]
and the space has dimension mn (as expected of a product).
 
I'm having a hard time following because my computer doesn't show the symbols in a standard mathematical notation. Would you be able to refer to some online source with the same information?
 
if a,b,c and x,y are bases of V, W then (a,0),(b,0),(c,0),(0,x),(0,y) is a basis of the cartesian product VxW, while (a,x), (b,x),(c,x),(a,y),(b,y),(c,y) is a basis of the tensor product VtensW.

so dimension is additive for cartesian product and multiplicative for tensor product.
 

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