Vectors Perpendicular to Plane: nhat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying vectors that are perpendicular to a given plane defined by a normal vector \(\hat{n} = [n_x, n_y, n_z]\). Participants explore the mathematical relationships and conditions that define these perpendicular vectors, including the implications of the dot product and the representation of vectors in the plane.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the set of vectors perpendicular to the plane consists of any non-zero multiple of the normal vector \(\hat{n}\).
  • Another participant corrects their earlier statement, indicating that they meant to discuss vectors that are parallel to the plane instead of those that are perpendicular.
  • A participant introduces the requirement that vectors tangent to the plane must satisfy the condition \(\vec{T} \cdot \hat{n} = 0\), emphasizing the role of the dot product in determining normality.
  • Further elaboration is provided on expressing the tangent vector \(\vec{T}\) as a linear combination of other vectors, contingent on the assumption that \(n_x\) is not zero.
  • Another participant points out that any vector in the plane is parallel to the plane, providing a specific example of points in the plane and how to construct vectors from them.
  • This participant also discusses a basis for the vector space of all vectors parallel to the plane defined by the equation \(z = ax + by + c\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the initial interpretation of vectors related to the plane, with some focusing on perpendicular vectors and others on parallel vectors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to express the vectors in relation to the plane.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the values of \(n_x\) and the specific form of the plane equation are noted, as they influence the discussion on the representation of vectors.

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If I have a vector nhat = [nx, ny, nz] which is normal to some plane, how can I write the vectors (I assume there are infinitely many) which are perpendicular to that plane?
 
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Well, normal is perpendicular. So the set of vectors perpendicular to that plane would be any non-zero multiple of \hat{n}.
 


Char. Limit said:
Well, normal is perpendicular. So the set of vectors perpendicular to that plane would be any non-zero multiple of \hat{n}.

Sorry, not thinking very clearly. I meant to type the set of unit vectors which are PARALLEL to that same plane
 


Ah, well that is different. We need to find the set of all vectors normal to our normal vector. Now, one requirement of normality is that the dot-product be zero, i.e.

\vec{T} \cdot \hat{n} = 0

I use T here because any vector that's normal to the normal will be tangent to the plane. Now, with that...


hm. This will require a bit more thought. I'll be right back. In the meantime, hopefully someone who has already figured out the answer will stop by!
 


All right, I'm back and I've figured it out. Start with T dot N = 0, which we know to be true. Expand this out to get:

T_1 n_x + T_2 n_y + T_3 n_z = 0

T_1 = - T_2 \frac{n_y}{n_x} - T_3 \frac{n_z}{n_x}

And from there, it should be trivial to express T as a linear combination of vectors with coefficients (n_y)/(n_x) and (n_z)/(n_x), respectively. That'll give you your plane. :)

That was fun!

Note: We assume n_x is not zero. If it is, this problem becomes a lot more trivial.
 


Thank you so much for the help!
 


Of course, any vector in the plane is a vector parallel to the plane. You don't need a normal vector to find that.

If the plane is given by z= ax+ by+ c and we take x= y= 0, z= c so (0, 0, c) is a point in the plane. And for any numbers, X and Y, (X, Y, aX+ bY+ c) is also a point in the plane. The vector from the first to the second is X\vec{i}+ Y\vec{j}+ (aX+ bY)\vec{k} is a vector in (parallel to) the plane. That can be written as X(\vec{i}+ a\vec{k})+ Y(\vec{j}+ b\vec{k}) indicating that \vec{i}+ a\vec{k} and \vec{j}+ b\vec{k} form a basis for the vector space of all vectors parallel to the plane z= ax+ by+ c.
 

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