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The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of vectors in relation to their perpendicularity, specifically focusing on the vectors <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>. Participants are examining the claim that all vectors perpendicular to these two vectors lie on a line, as opposed to a plane, as initially suggested by one participant. The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning related to linear algebra.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the vectors perpendicular to <1,1,1> and <1,2,3> should lie on a plane based on their understanding of vector operations and visualizations.
  • Another participant argues that moving a vector around does not create a new vector and emphasizes that all vectors perpendicular to the given vectors are parallel to the cross product.
  • A later reply questions the visualization of the cross product's tip being in the same plane as the original vectors, asserting that no vector in that plane can be perpendicular to both <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>, except for the zero vector.
  • Participants inquire about the geometric objects formed by the set of all vectors perpendicular to <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the geometric interpretation of the vectors' perpendicularity, with some asserting that the vectors lie on a line while others believe they should lie on a plane. The discussion remains unresolved as different viewpoints are presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of geometric objects and the assumptions made about vector operations and their visualizations. The participants do not fully resolve the mathematical implications of their claims.

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Doing MIT OCW 18.06 using Gilbert Strang Intro to Linear Algebra.

Ch 1.2

The vectors that are perpendicular to <1,1,1> and <1,2,3> lie on a ___________.

I would have said "plane".

I've worked with vectors in calculus, and if you take the cross product of those two vectors you get a vector perpendicular to both, and you could, visualizing it, move that vector around on the surface of the plane defined by <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>...

But the answer given in the solution manual is "line"...

How are all the vectors perpendicular to <1,1,1> and <1,2,3> lying on a line?
 
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"Moving a vector around on a plane" does NOT give you a different vector! All vectors perpendicular to the given two vectors are parallel to the cross product. I'm not sure I like the wording of the problem itself! Just as moving vectors around does not give a new vector, so a vector alone does not determine a line.
 
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kostoglotov said:
I've worked with vectors in calculus, and if you take the cross product of those two vectors you get a vector perpendicular to both,
Right.

kostoglotov said:
and you could, visualizing it, move that vector around on the surface of the plane defined by <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>...
I don't know what you mean exactly, but if you view the vectors as arrows drawn from <0,0,0>, then the tip of the arrow you get from the cross product isn't in that plane. In fact, no vector in that plane is perpendicular to both <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>.

kostoglotov said:
How are all the vectors perpendicular to <1,1,1> and <1,2,3> lying on a line?

What kind of geometric object is the set of all vectors perpendicular to <1,1,1>?

What kind of geometric object is the set of all vectors perpendicular to <1,2,3>?
 
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Fredrik said:
I don't know what you mean exactly, but if you view the vectors as arrows drawn from <0,0,0>, then the tip of the arrow you get from the cross product isn't in that plane. In fact, no vector in that plane is perpendicular to both <1,1,1> and <1,2,3>.

Except the zero vector. /end{pedantry}
 
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