Velma and Mort's ice cream is melting special relativity problem. Help please.

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The problem involves Velma and Mort's ice cream cones melting at different rates due to the effects of special relativity. The original poster seeks to determine the speed at which Velma must travel for her ice cream to last three times longer than Mort's, as perceived by Mort.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers the relationship between time dilation and speed, referencing time dilation factors from a textbook. They question if Velma's speed should be slightly faster than 0.9c and slower than 0.99c. Other participants suggest using the Lorentz Transform and algebraic methods to derive the necessary speed, with one participant confirming the use of a specific formula for time dilation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct formula for time dilation, and there is a focus on algebraic methods rather than purely conceptual reasoning. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the application of the formula and the meaning of variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's class has not delved deeply into mathematics, focusing instead on conceptual understanding and estimates. There is an emphasis on using tables or graphs for time dilation factors, which may limit the depth of mathematical exploration.

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Homework Statement



Velma and Mort have identical 10-minute melting ice-cream cones. How fast must Velma move in order for her 10-minute cone to last 3 times longer than Mort’s, as measured by Mort?

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We have not gotten too in depth into mathematics in my class as it mainly focuses on conceptual understanding and estimates. I looked at a table in my textbook and it says that at 0.9 c there is a time dilation of 2.3 and then it jumps to say that at 0.99 c the time dilation is 7.1 so if Mort observes Velma's ice-cream melt slower by a factor of 3...then shouldn't she be moving slightly faster than 0.9 c and slower than 0.99 c? Would that be a reasonable answer? or is there another way to determine the time dilation? Thanks!
 
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Apart from looking in a graph of the gamma factor or using the actual formula to derive it (it is not very complicated), interpolating in tables is what you are left with.
 
The math is simple algebra. Look up Lorentz Transform. I don't know Latex or I'd put it here for you. It looks so elegant when written properly and ugly when written with just text symbols. It works out to about .94c
 
Hello,

Thanks for the reply. I think I would like to give this an algebraic try rather than sticking to my textual description...so...is this the right formula?

T = T0 / √(1-v2/c2)

If that is the correct formula... is c = speed of light, v= relative speed between two observers (by relative would it just be the difference in speed between Mort and Velma? so, 3?), T= Mort's view of Velma's time? T0 = 1 ?
 
Yep, that's the one. Just plug in "Pc" for v (Percentage of c) and cancel the "c"s and solve for P with T/T0 = 3
 

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