Velocity and Acceleration Vectors

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The discussion focuses on deriving velocity and acceleration vectors from rotational kinematic equations. Participants explore the relationship between angular displacement (Θ), radius (R), and their time-dependent functions. The key equations discussed include the position vector expressed as r = .8êr and the differentiation of x and y coordinates as functions of time, leading to the velocity components ẋ and ẏ. The final consensus confirms that the derived x and y components represent the velocity vector.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Rotational Kinematic Equations
Kinematic Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have no clue how to get a vector out of this.
I thought about an equation:

Θ = Θ(initial) + ω(initial)*t + .5αt^2

and how maybe that v = wr could play into this, but there is so much I don't know where to start.

Any help would be really appreciated!
 
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Oh okay, so I should be thinking of something along those lines.

So if my theta = 0 and my R = .8ft, would my position vector just be r = .8êr?
what would my r dot and theta dot be? Sorry, this is still relatively new to me
and I've been watching videos on it as well. I just want to make sure I understand
this.
 
CGI said:
Oh okay, so I should be thinking of something along those lines.

So if my theta = 0 and my R = .8ft, would my position vector just be r = .8êr?
what would my r dot and theta dot be? Sorry, this is still relatively new to me
and I've been watching videos on it as well. I just want to make sure I understand
this.
Assuming the answers are wanted in terms of the x, y coordinates:
Let the diagram position represent time 0. At time t, what will r and theta be? So what will x and y be?
 
Would the x just be rcosΘ and y be rsinΘ?
 
CGI said:
Would the x just be rcosΘ and y be rsinΘ?
Yes, but you are trying to find velocities and accelerations, so you need to express them as functions of time.
 
Oh okay. Right. Could that just be rcostheta(t) and rsintheta(t)?
 
CGI said:
Oh okay. Right. Could that just be rcostheta(t) and rsintheta(t)?
According to the problem statement, both r and theta vary with time. Write each as a function of t.
 
Hmmm...okay. Could I say that r = r_initial + vt and that theta = theta_inital + wt where w = 45 rev/min?
 
  • #10
CGI said:
Hmmm...okay. Could I say that r = r_initial + vt and that theta = theta_inital + wt where w = 45 rev/min?
Yes. Now express x and y that way and differentiate as necessary.
 
  • #11
When you say express x and y in that way, do you mean that I can say

x = (r_initial + vt)cos(Θ_initial + ωt)

And the same for y, only with a "sin?"
 
  • #12
CGI said:
When you say express x and y in that way, do you mean that I can say

x = (r_initial + vt)cos(Θ_initial + ωt)

And the same for y, only with a "sin?"
Yes. Now differentiate.
 
  • #13
Okay I was just double checking. So when I take the derivative with respect to t I get,

x = vcos(Θ_inital + ωt) - (r_initial + vt)sin(Θ_initial + ωt)*ω

y = vsin(Θ_inital + ωt) + (r_inital + vt)cos(Θ_initial + ωt)*ω

Does this look about right?
 
  • #14
CGI said:
Okay I was just double checking. So when I take the derivative with respect to t I get,

x = vcos(Θ_inital + ωt) - (r_initial + vt)sin(Θ_initial + ωt)*ω

y = vsin(Θ_inital + ωt) + (r_inital + vt)cos(Θ_initial + ωt)*ω

Does this look about right?
Yes.
 
  • #15
Okay great. So would these two x and y be the vector for velocity?
 
  • #16
CGI said:
Okay great. So would these two x and y be the vector for velocity?
Small correction: in your post #13 I presume you meant ##\dot x=## etc., not x=. Similarly y.
If so, yes they would be the x and y components of velocity.
 

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