Velocity-distance graph for a freely falling body

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The discussion revolves around interpreting a velocity-distance graph for a freely falling body, focusing on the relationship between velocity and distance as time progresses. Participants explore the implications of varying velocity during free fall and the mathematical relationships involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the validity of the equation v/s = t, noting that it only holds for constant velocity. They discuss the implications of free fall where velocity is not constant and suggest writing equations for position as functions of time to explore the relationship further.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and alternative perspectives on the problem. Some have offered equations and graphical interpretations, while others have pointed out potential oversights in reasoning. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in relating average and instantaneous velocity.

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Participants mention the need to eliminate time from equations and the challenge of recognizing the graph's shape without computational tools. There is also a reference to energy considerations in the context of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy.

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Homework Statement
Which graph, A, B, C or D, best represents the relationship between the variables x and y where:
y is the velocity of an object falling freely from rest, x is the distance fallen?

I attach choices of graphs below.
Relevant Equations
Equations of motion
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My reasoning:
Gradient of graph = v/s = t
t increasing therefore gradient increasing
So graph B

The answer is C.
 
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Hi,

v/s = t is only true if v is constant. In free fall v is not constant.

If you write down equations for x and y as a function of time you can eliminate t to find v(s) .

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g9WfI said:
v/s = t
If you divide metres per second by metres, what do you get?
BvU said:
v/s = t is only true if v is constant
Not even then.
 
Oops ! Slight oversight o:). But even s = v t does not apply.

Thankie Australia !

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haruspex said:
If you divide metres per second by metres, what do you get?
Ah - 1/t
So as t increases, gradient decreases.
So answer is C.
 
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BvU said:
If you write down equations for x and y as a function of time you can eliminate t to find v(s) .
I get v = 9.8 x √ (s/4.9)
Putting that into a graphing calculator I get a graph which looks like C, but I wouldn't have been able to recognise that myself :/
 
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g9WfI said:
I get v = 9.8 x √ (s/4.9)
Putting that into a graphing calculator I get a graph which looks like C, but I wouldn't have been able to recognise that myself :/
It makes sense if you think about energy. For a given distance, the loss in GPE is constant: in this case ##mg\Delta x##.

But, the increase in KE is ##\frac 1 2 m[(v + \Delta v)^2 - v^2] = \frac 1 2 m\Delta v(2v + \Delta v)##.

As ##x## increases, ##v## increases and the change ##\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta x}## must decrease.
 
g9WfI said:
Ah - 1/t
So as t increases, gradient decreases.
So answer is C.
As @BvU notes, v/s=1/t is only true for constant velocity. More generally, ##v_{avg}/s=1/t##, but that is with v averaged over time. There is no easy way to relate that to the instantaneous v used in the graph axis.
g9WfI said:
I get v = 9.8 x √ (s/4.9)
Putting that into a graphing calculator I get a graph which looks like C, but I wouldn't have been able to recognise that myself :/
If you write it instead as ##v^2=2gs## you should recognise that as a parabola. Setting y=2gs and x=v it gives the classic ##y=x^2##, so you should be looking for that graph but flipped around, swapping the x and y axes.
 
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