Velocity of a ball at the highest point using the radius

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ball swinging from a string and requires determining its velocity at the highest point of its swing. The context includes concepts of energy conservation, potential energy, and kinetic energy, with specific measurements provided for the string length and distance to the peg.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and how to express total energy at different positions of the ball. There are attempts to relate potential energy and kinetic energy, with questions about how to handle mass in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on writing the energy equations and clarifying the potential energy at the initial position. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply energy conservation principles, with multiple interpretations of the equations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the cancellation of mass in the equations and the implications of energy conservation. There is a noted lack of consensus on the correct approach to finding potential energy without knowing mass.

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Homework Statement


The string in the Figure is L = 102.0 cm long and the distance d to the fixed peg P is 73.4 cm. When the ball is released from rest in the position shown, it will swing along the dashed arc.How fast will it be going when it reaches the highest point in its swing?

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Homework Equations


PE: mg(2r)
KE: (1/2)*mv^2

mg(2r)+(1/2)*mv^2= C (Total E)

The Attempt at a Solution



Having troubles. The M's do not cancel out in this one soo I am all flustered. Is it just alegbra now? But my question is what is C? How can the M's cancel out so that I can begin to compute V. I mean I found the velocity at the lowest point of the arc which was 4.47124 m/s. So I guess with knowing velocity I can figure out mass but when I tried that I was still a little confused.

Thanks for your help.
 
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Energy is conserved. Write the energy for the initial position of the ball to get the total energy.

ehild
 
How would I write it for initial position?

I thought I wrote it for total E?
mg(2r)+(1/2)*mv^2
 
The total energy is the same at every position of the ball, 1/2 mv2 + mgh (h is the height with respect to the lowest position). Look at the initial position before the ball is released and stationary yet. What is the potential energy?

ehild
 
So your saying to find the highest point, which is in the circle I should do:

(1/2)mv^2 = mg(2r)

(1/2)v^2 = g(2r)

V = sqrt ((g(2r))/.5)?
 
lanzjohn said:
So your saying to find the highest point, which is in the circle I should do:

(1/2)mv^2 = mg(2r)

(1/2)v^2 = g(2r)

V = sqrt ((g(2r))/.5)?

And no that is incorrect. So I take it that is not at all what you said.

Well how can I find PE if I don't know mass?
 
lanzjohn said:
And no that is incorrect. So I take it that is not at all what you said.

Yes, what you did was wrong. But you did not do what I have said. Hint: read the problem again and look at the figure.

ehild
 

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