Velocity of a Sphere Rolling in a Circular Bowl

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The problem involves a solid sphere rolling down a circular bowl from a height, focusing on finding the velocity of the sphere's center of mass at the bottom. The subject area includes concepts of energy conservation, rotational dynamics, and the moment of inertia.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply energy conservation principles but questions the treatment of kinetic energy components. Some participants discuss the potential double counting of linear kinetic energy and suggest different perspectives on the motion of the sphere.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on the treatment of kinetic energy and the original poster expressing improved understanding. There is no explicit consensus on the final expression for velocity, but guidance has been offered regarding the counting of kinetic energy terms.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a discrepancy between their derived expression for velocity and a correct one, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the application of energy principles. The problem setup includes the non-negligible radius of the sphere, which may affect the energy calculations.

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Homework Statement



A solid sphere of mass M and radius a is released at vertical height y=R and rolls down a circular bowl without slipping, find an expression for the velocity of the sphere's center of mass at the bottom of the bowl.

2. Homework Equations


##I=I_c+Md^2##
I=\frac {2} {5} Ma^2
##U=Mgh##
E_r=\frac {1} {2}I\omega^2
E_t=\frac {1} {2}mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution



The sphere is released from height R, so it's total energy is given by E=mg(R-a) (as the radius of the sphere is non-negligible).
Taking the bottom of the bowl to be the zero of potential energy;


##E_T=mg(R-a)=\frac {1} {2} I\omega^2+\frac {1} {2}mv^2##

At the bottom of the bowl, all gravitational potential energy will have been transformed into translational and rotational kinetic energy.
As the sphere is in rotation around it's contact point, via the parallel axis theorem:
I=I_c+Md^2
## I=\frac {2} {5} Ma^2+Ma^2##
## I=\frac {7} {5} Ma^2 ##


And as ## \omega^2=\frac {v^2} {r^2}, ##

## E_T=mg(R-a)=\frac {1} {2}mv^2+\frac {7} {10} ma^2 (\frac {v^2} {r^2}) ##

Following this through I come up with ##v=\sqrt{\frac {5g(R-a)}{6}}##

Rather than the (correct), ##v=\sqrt{\frac {10(R-a)}{7}}##

I know if I only count the rotational kinetic energy I end up with this expression, but I don't understand why I wouldn't also count the translational kinetic energy?
 
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Sorry, I accidentally hit enter half way through writing this
 
You've effectively counted the linear KE twice. Either take the sphere's motion as a linear horizontal speed of its mass centre, plus a rotation about the mass centre, or take it as a rotation about the point of contact with the bowl.
 
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Thank you so much! I think I understand a lot better now (that was a lot more painless than expected).
 

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