Velocity Problem: Ball Thrown Upwards, +30 m/s, After 4s

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The problem involves a ball thrown upwards with an initial velocity of +30 m/s, and participants are discussing how to determine its velocity after 4 seconds, considering the effects of gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the kinematics equations, particularly the equation v = u + at, and question the meanings of the variables involved. There is exploration of how gravity affects the velocity over time.

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Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the kinematics equations and the role of gravity in the problem. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their components are being explored, with ongoing questions about their application.

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There is uncertainty regarding the specific values for acceleration and how they relate to the initial velocity. Participants are also navigating the implications of using vector quantities in their calculations.

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A ball is thrown upwards with a velocity of +30 m/s. At the end of 4 s, its velocity will be closest to
A) -50 m/s
B) -20 m/s
C) -10 m/s
D) +10 m/s

I really don't know what equations would be involved to solve this problem. I'm thinking the downward force of gravity can be taken into account or something like that?
 
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fattydq said:
I really don't know what equations would be involved to solve this problem. I'm thinking the downward force of gravity can be taken into account or something like that?
That would be the kinematics equations, one of which is [tex]v = u + at[/tex].
 
Fightfish said:
That would be the kinematics equations, one of which is [tex]v = u + at[/tex].

But what does u represent here? and would the acceleration just be 30??
 
What is your understanding of acceleration? Specifically, how does acceleration relate to velocity?
 
Is acceleration not just the rate that velocity is changing?
 
I don't understand what that has to do with my question though...although I'm sure you plan on explaining, what does this have to do with figuring out what equation to use to solve this problem?
 
Yes, it is. So if the acceleration of gravity is -9.8 m/s2, this means that for every second that goes by, you add -9.8 m/s to the velocity that is already there. Look at your question again. At time t = 0 the velocity that is already there is +30 m/s. What must you add to it after 4 s? What do you get for velocity when you do that?
 
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fattydq said:
I don't understand what that has to do with my question though...although I'm sure you plan on explaining, what does this have to do with figuring out what equation to use to solve this problem?

What I described in posting#7 is the equation

v = v0 - g*t
 
kuruman said:
Yes, it is. So if the acceleration of gravity is -9.8 m/s2, this means that for every second that goes by, you add -9.8 m/s to the velocity that is already there. Look at your question again. At time t = 0 the velocity that is already there is +30 m/s. What must you add to it after 4 s? What do you get for velocity when you do that?

So after four seconds you would add (4x-9.8) to thirty, correct?
 
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Thus my answer would be D...since I'm still going to have a positive number. Right?
 
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fattydq said:
So after four seconds you would add (4x-9.8) to thirty, correct?

4*(-9.8) = -39.2 m.s Add that to 30 and you get ...
 
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Ahh, yes, duh. Haha, it seems very simple now...but I still don't understand what this v=u+at means?
 
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fattydq said:
Ahh, yes, duh. Haha, it seems very simple now...but I still don't understand what this v=u+at means?

Look at posting#8. replace u with v0 and a with -g. What do you get? The expression v = u + at is a general form of the same equation.
 
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fattydq said:
Ahh, yes, duh. Haha, it seems very simple now...but I still don't understand what this v=u+at means?

It means that for a body undergoing constant acceleration, the final velocity v of the body after a time t is equivalent to the initial velocity u of the body plus the change in the velocity of the body during this time (ie acceleration X time), essentially what you've been doing just now. *Take note of the directions when using this equation, all the terms are vector quantities.*
 
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fattydq said:
Ahh, yes, duh. Haha, it seems very simple now...but I still don't understand what this v=u+at means?

Hi fattydq! :smile:

Think of it as v - u = at, so a = (v - u)/t …

then it simply says that acceleration is change-in-speed divided by time… which it is, isn't it? :wink:

( of course, this only works for constant acceleration )
 

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