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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function 1/square root(x-3)dx. Participants explore various approaches to the integral, including substitution methods and the implications of variable changes. The conversation includes technical reasoning and corrections regarding differentiation and integration techniques.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a substitution u = square root(x-3) and derives an expression that leads to an incorrect conclusion about the integral.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the substitution and suggests that the integral should be approached with u = x - 3 instead.
  • There is a discussion about the derivative of square root(x-3), with some participants asserting that the initial claim about the derivative is incorrect.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of using parentheses in mathematical expressions to avoid misinterpretation.
  • Another participant suggests integrating by parts as an alternative method to solve the integral, providing a detailed breakdown of the steps involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to the integral, with no consensus reached on the best method. There are also disagreements regarding the interpretation of derivatives and the notation used in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the variable substitution must be handled carefully to ensure that the new equation is consistent with the variable change. There are also unresolved issues regarding the clarity of notation and the implications of the derivative calculations.

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Hi,

I have to find the integral of 1/square root(x-3)dx

this is what i did

let u=sqr root(x-3)
du=1/2*square root(x-3)dx
dx=2*square root(x-3)du

the integral of 1/square root(x-3)dx= 2*square root(x-3)(1/u)du

..ok now what i did is plug back u= square root of(x-3) in the denom
that way I am only left with 2du.

Then i integrated that to 2x2/2 which is equal to x^2.

Ultimatley I got the integral to equal X ! which can't be right!

But doesn't this make sense, I know i did not do anything wrong...
 
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[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sqrt{x-3}\right) \neq \frac{1}{2}\left(\sqrt{x-3}\right)[/tex]
 
..ok now what i did is plug back u= square root of(x-3) in the denom
that way I am only left with 2du.

that move is NOT legit.

the integral of 1/square root(x-3)dx= 2*square root(x-3)(1/u)du

neither is that one, wen u change variables, ur new equation must have only that variable - or constants of course...if you write root(x-3) IN TERMS of u that is fine, but the way it is written doesn't make sense.

Hint: let u=x-3.
 
neutrino said:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sqrt{x-3}\right) \neq \frac{1}{2}\left(\sqrt{x-3}\right)[/tex]

I meant that the derivative of sqroot(x-3)=1/2sqroot(x-3)
 
gochi said:
I meant that the derivative of sqroot(x-3)=1/2sqroot(x-3)
And I'm saying that it is not. :wink:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left({x-3}\right)^\frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{x-3}}\right)[/tex]
 
"1/2sqroot(x-3)", i think this is 1 OVER 2 times the square root of x minus 3.
 
Your first part is flawless. Integrate by parts:
[tex]\int xdu = xu-\int udx[/tex]
set [tex]x=2[/tex] and [tex]u=\sqrt{x-3}[/tex]. Therefore [tex]du=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x-3}}[/tex]. Obviously [tex]dx=0[/tex].
Plug in your values:
[tex]\int 2(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x-3}}) = 2(\sqrt{x-3})-\int 0[/tex]

Simplify and you get:
[tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{x-3}} = 2\sqrt{x-3}[/tex]

As you do more integrations, this process will become easier.
 
u-substituting x-3 is a lot easier!
 
SiddharthM said:
"1/2sqroot(x-3)", i think this is 1 OVER 2 times the square root of x minus 3.
The problem is that most people would interpret it as (1/2) sqroot(x-3), not 1/(2 sqroot(x-3)). USE PARENTHESES!
 
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that he didn't make that mistake is clear. Look at his next step:

dx=2*square root(x-3)du
 
  • #11
Ah... I apologise, gochi. But as Halls emphasised, please make use of parentheses. :)
 

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