Verify Laplace equation in rectangular coordinates.

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The discussion revolves around the verification of the Laplace equation in rectangular coordinates, specifically concerning the Laplacian of a vector field, denoted as \(\nabla^2 \vec E = 0\). Participants explore the implications of this equation and its components, as well as the potential confusion surrounding the use of scalar potentials versus vector fields.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that \(\nabla^2 \vec E = 0\) implies that each component of the vector field satisfies the Laplace equation, leading to the equations for each component: \(\frac {\partial^2 E_x}{\partial x^2} + \frac {\partial^2 E_x}{\partial y^2} + \frac {\partial^2 E_x}{\partial z^2} = 0\), and similarly for \(E_y\) and \(E_z\).
  • Another participant challenges the initial assertion, suggesting that the typical form used in classical physics is \(\nabla^2 \phi = 0\) for scalar potentials, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the context.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original participant was indeed referring to the Laplacian of a vector field and emphasizes that the Laplacian can be split into contributions from different dimensions, specifically \(\nabla^2_{xyz} \vec E = \nabla^2_{xy} \vec E + \frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial z^2}\).
  • Another participant agrees that the Laplacian can be split into parts but reiterates the importance of applying the Laplacian to each individual component of the vector field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the Laplace equation in the context of vector fields versus scalar potentials. There is no consensus on the implications of the original assertion, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of the Laplacian to vector fields.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and contexts of vector fields and scalar potentials, which may affect the interpretation of the Laplace equation in this discussion.

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Just want to verify Laplace equation in rectangular coordinates that:

[tex]\nabla ^2 \vec E = 0[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow\; \nabla^2 \vec E = \left ( \frac {\partial^2}{\partial x^2} +\frac {\partial^2}{\partial y^2} +\frac {\partial^2}{\partial z^2} \right ) ( \hat x E_x +\hat y E_y + \hat z E_z) = 0[/tex]

[tex]\hbox {(1)}\;\Rightarrow \;\frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial x^2} = 0,\;\frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial y^2} = 0 \;\hbox { and } \frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial z^2} = 0[/tex]

And

[tex]\hbox {(2)}\; \nabla ^2 \vec E = \nabla^2_{xy}\vec E + \frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial z^2} = 0 \;\hbox { where }\; \nabla^2_{xy}\vec E = \left ( \frac {\partial^2}{\partial x^2} +\frac {\partial^2}{\partial y^2} \right ) ( \hat x E_x +\hat y E_y + \hat z E_z)[/tex]
 
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(1) is not right (which implies (2) is not what you're looking for). Are you sure you don't mean

[tex]\nabla^2 \phi = 0[/tex]

as this is the typical potential you work with in classical physics.

If you mean what you wrote, what that tells you is that each component of this vector satisfies Laplace's equation; that is,

[tex]{{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial x^2}} + {{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial y^2}} + {{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial z^2}} = 0[/tex]

and so on for each component
 
Pengwuino said:
(1) is not right (which implies (2) is not what you're looking for). Are you sure you don't mean

[tex]\nabla^2 \phi = 0[/tex]

as this is the typical potential you work with in classical physics.

If you mean what you wrote, what that tells you is that each component of this vector satisfies Laplace's equation; that is,

[tex]{{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial x^2}} + {{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial y^2}} + {{\partial^2 E_x}\over{\partial z^2}} = 0[/tex]

and so on for each component

Thanks for the reply. I don't mean [itex]\nabla^2 \phi[/itex]. I was referring to Laplacian of a vector where:

[tex]\nabla^2 \vec E = \left ( \frac {\partial^2}{\partial x^2} +\frac {\partial^2}{\partial y^2} +\frac {\partial^2}{\partial z^2} \right ) ( \hat x E_x +\hat y E_y + \hat z E_z) = 0[/tex]

So You say [itex]\nabla^2 \vec E = 0 \;\hbox { don't mean }\;\;\frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial x^2} = 0,\;\frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial y^2} = 0 \;\hbox { and } \frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial z^2} = 0[/itex]

The second question is totally independent to the first question, even I got the first one wrong, that has no bearing on the second question.

What I meant in the second question is I can split the [itex]\nabla^2_{xyz} \;\hbox { into Laplacian in x and y plus Laplacian in z } \; \Rightarrow\;\nabla ^2_{xyz} \vec E = \nabla^2_{xy}\vec E + \frac {\partial^2 \vec E}{\partial z^2}[/itex]

Thanks

Alan
 
I see, so yah, you can split the Laplacian into parts like that. However, again, what i said in the first part still matters. You'll be doing the Laplacian on each individual component, but it can be split up like that.
 
Thanks
 

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