Verifying Bessel's Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around verifying Bessel's differential equation using the Bessel function. Participants explore the calculations of derivatives and the manipulation of series to demonstrate that the function satisfies the differential equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Bessel function and its derivatives, expressing difficulty in simplifying the resulting expression to show it equals zero.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the term involving (x^2 - 1) into two separate summations to facilitate simplification.
  • A later reply indicates that the numerator still does not appear to simplify to zero, raising concerns about the calculations.
  • Further responses emphasize the importance of shifting summation indices to combine terms correctly, which may lead to a resolution of the problem.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the transition between steps in the manipulation of summations, seeking clarification on the reasoning behind combining terms indexed differently.
  • Another participant explains that the k=0 term can be disregarded as it contributes zero, which helps in simplifying the expression.

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Participants generally agree on the approach of manipulating the series and shifting indices, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific steps and simplifications needed to demonstrate that the expression equals zero.

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Some assumptions about the convergence of the series and the validity of the manipulations are not explicitly stated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Hey everyone, I am trying to use the Bessel function:

[tex]f(x)= \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!}[/tex]

To verify the Differential Equation:

[tex]x^2y''+xy'+(x^2-1)y=0[/tex]

So I thought this was going to be really easy, but I am having some difficulties. First I calculated y,y',y'' to be:

[tex]y= \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!}[/tex]

[tex]y'= \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)x^{2k}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!}[/tex]

[tex]y''= \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k-1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!}[/tex]

And then I just pluged those into the differential equation to yield:

[tex]x^2 \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k-1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} + x\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)x^{2k}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} + (x^2-1)\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} = 0[/tex]

Then I just put the x terms in the summation since they are constant to get:

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(x^2-1)x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} = 0[/tex]

And since the summations are all indexed the same and all have the same denominator, I combined them to one summation with one fraction:

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{k}(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1} + (-1)^{k}(2k+1)x^{2k+1} + (-1)^{k}(x^2-1)x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!} = 0[/tex]

But now that I have one huge fraction, after all the simplification I have done, I can't get the numerator to zero out since the DE is homogeneous.

Did I make an error in my calculation? Have I done everything correct, but there is even MORE simplification? And if so, can you help me? Or am I just approaching this problem completely wrong?

Thanks a TON!Tony
 
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You should have expanded the term:

[tex]\left(x^2-1\right)\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}[/tex]

into 2 terms:

[tex]x^2\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}-\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}[/tex]

You shift the index, and combine it again.
 
I did that at first, but I thought that would'd help at all. Expanding that, putting the x's in the summation and then combining, I got:

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^k(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^k(2k+1)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^kx^{2k+3}-(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}(k!)(k+1)!}[/tex]

But that still looks like it is going no where. The numerator doesn't look like it is zero, unless it is really cryptic and I am not catching it. Help?
 
You didn't do the shifting of the summation variables. You should do the following:

[tex]\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^k(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^k(2k+1)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^kx^{2k+3}-(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}[/tex]

[tex]\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^k(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^k(2k+1)x^{2k+1}-(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}+\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^kx^{2k+3}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}[/tex]

Do the shifting in this step:

[tex]\sum _{k=0}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^k(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^k(2k+1)x^{2k+1}-(-1)^kx^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}+\sum _{k=1}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^{k-1}x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k-1}(k-1)!k!}[/tex]

Grouping it together again:

[tex]\sum _{k=1}^{\infty } \frac{(-1)^k(2k+1)(2k)x^{2k+1}+(-1)^k(2k+1)x^{2k+1}-(-1)^kx^{2k+1}+4k(k+1)(-1)^{k-1}x^{2k+1}}{2^{2k+1}k!(k+1)!}[/tex]

You should be able to show that it is indeed zero.
 
Ah, I see. That is indeed zero. Thanks a MILLION! However, I am a little fuzzy how you went from your 3rd to 4th step in your last post. I understand that you let j=k-1 to shift the end summation, but how were you able to recombine it back with the first summation when that one was indexed at k=0? I don't know if this is a stupid question, but that transition from step 3 to 4 just doesn't look natural to me.
 
Since I take out the k=0 term, and it is again zero! I just skip a bit.
 
AHH! I see. Duh. Thanks soooooo much! :D
 

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