Verifying Lie Bracket for Vector Fields on U

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The discussion revolves around verifying the properties of the Lie bracket for vector fields on an infinite-dimensional vector space. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and implications of the Lie bracket, including bilinearity, antisymmetry, and the Jacobi identity, as well as the existence of vector fields on differentiable manifolds.

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  • One participant defines the Lie bracket of two vector fields and questions its bilinearity and antisymmetry.
  • Another participant suggests using a specific formula for the Lie bracket to derive new equations and explore the properties of the bracket.
  • A different participant discusses the relationship between graded derivations and Lie algebras, proposing a method to evaluate the inner Lie and exterior derivative together.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to verify the Lie bracket of two vector fields on a manifold.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the verification process and asks for details on the derivation presented earlier.
  • A participant outlines a method to prove the existence of vector fields on open subsets of \(\mathbb{R}^n\) and questions the correctness of their reasoning regarding differentiability and the Leibniz rule.
  • One participant critiques another's LaTeX skills and offers a simpler approach to demonstrate the existence of local vector fields, referencing the smoothness of functions in relation to coordinate systems.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the verification of the Lie bracket and the existence of vector fields, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the methods or conclusions presented.

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Some participants' claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about differentiable manifolds and vector fields, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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If we have vect (u) which denotes an infinite-dimensional vector space of all vector fields on u. As infinitesimal elements of the continuous group of Diff(u) they form a Lie Algebra. We then can define the bracket of two vector fields in v and w. If in coordinates:

v = \sum_{i}V i \partial/\partialX^{i}

w = \sum_{j}Wj \partial/ \partialX^{j}

the components of [v,w]

[v,w]:=(\sum_{i,j}( V^{i} \frac{d}{dx}X^{i} W^{j} - W^{i} \frac{d}{dx}X^{i} V^{j} ) \frac{d}{dx}

if the definition is independent of the choice of coordinates is it bilinear by nature? if so it must be antisymmetric [v,w] = -[w,v];

therefore the jacobi identity would yield [v,[u,w]] = [[v,u],w] + [u, [v,w]]

how can i go about verifying this for a lie bracket?
 
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You know that

[X,Y]_pf=X_p(Yf)-Y_p(Xf)

where Xf is defined as the function that takes p to X_pf, right? So why not just use this on [U,[V,W]]? When you have your result, just substitute U→V→W→U to get a new equation, and then do it again to get a third. Then add the three equations together.

You might be interested in this thread too, if not for anything else, just to see how to LaTeX these things. Click on the math expression or quote the post to see the LaTeX code.
 
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oh, thank you, I believe I got incredibly confused by trying to relate the 0-forms to any p-form. e.g: let's say i have a linear map

D: \Lambda^{p}U \rightarrow \Lambda^{p+d}U

if I were to take a graded derivation of \Lambda\U of degree d \in Z

if it satisfies,

D(\varphi \wedge \Psi ) = ( D \varphi ) \wedge \Psi + ( -1)^{d deg \varphi} \varphi\wedge D\varphi

the set of all graded derivations of \Lambda U is an infinite-dimensional graded lie algebra with a bracket:

[D_{1}, D_{2}]: = D_{1}D_{2} - ( -1) ^{d_{1} d_{2} D_{2} D_{1} }

and then I can evaluate the Inner Lie, and exterior derivative togheter to form a graded subalgebra, then probably use Cartan's method of commutation relation (where U is equipped with an orientation and a metric.)
 
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I have another question though:

How can I verify the lie bracket of two vector fields on a manifold using the method you transcribed?
 
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I don't understand. What do you want to verify? That the commutator is a Lie bracket? Are you asking for the details of the derivation I sketched? Have you tried and got stuck somewhere?
 
What I am trying to do is prove mathematically the existence of vector fields on open subsets of \textbf{R}^{n}. Assuming the tangent space and vector fields lie on differentiable manifold M. Identifying these vector fields would allow me to start defining the tangent vectors on the manifold.

Let (U, \alpha) be a chart for M and denote the corresponding coordinates by X^{1}, X^{2}, ... X^{n}

let

f : U \rightarrow \textbf{R}

be differentiable at x \in U.

f \circ \alpha ^{-1} : \alpha (U) \rightarrow \textbf{R}

which is differentiable at \alpha (x).

\frac{\partial}{\partial_x^{i}} |_{x} f: =\frac{\partial}{\partial^{i}}( f \circ\alpha^{-1}|_{\alpha (x)} = \frac{\partial}{\partial \(x)^{i}} f ( x^{1}, \x^{2}, \...\x^{n}.

satisfying liebniz:

\frac{\partial}{\partial^{i}}|_{x} (f\g) = (\frac{\partial}{\partial^{i}}|_{x} f ) g(x) + f(x) \frac{\partial}{\partial^{i}} |_{x} \\\\\\g,

where f and g are differentiable at x. Is my reasoning correct?
 
Looks like you need to work on your LaTeX skills. :smile: Click the quote buttons or the math in my posts here to see how I wrote similar expressions. I also suggest that you preview before you post.

If you just want to show that local vector fields exist, by showing that a partial derivative operator \partial_i is a local vector field, all you need to show is that p\mapsto\partial_i|_pf is smooth for every smooth f. (Edit: This is assuming that we already know that \partial_i|_p is a tangent vector at p. See Isham's book if you don't). The thing on the right there is defined as (f\circ\alpha^{-1})_{,i}(\alpha(p)), where I'm using the notation ",i" for the ith partial derivative. Now what do we mean when we say that f is smooth? It means precisely that f\circ\alpha^{-1} is smooth for every coordinate system (chart) \alpha. And when we have realized that, we're already done with the proof.

Isham's book is a really good place to read about tangent vectors. Lee is good too.
 
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