Very high value of negative camber angle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of having a very high negative camber angle, specifically over 45 degrees, on a vehicle's performance, steering, and efficiency. Participants explore the feasibility of such a design, including the potential need for specialized tires and the relationship between camber angle, tractive force, and grip.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a vehicle with a negative camber angle of 50-60 degrees can move efficiently within a speed range of 0-50 mph, considering the significance of tire alignment on tractive force.
  • Another participant asserts that such a vehicle can indeed move, referencing a design style known as oni kyan or demon camber, but notes that it is not efficient and is primarily for aesthetic purposes.
  • A participant suggests that the aspect ratio of the tire may influence the maximum camber that can be effectively utilized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and practicality of extreme negative camber angles. While one participant believes movement is possible, others highlight the inefficiency and styling nature of such designs, indicating no consensus on the overall effectiveness.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the specific design requirements for tires and the exact impact of camber on vehicle dynamics, which may depend on various factors including tire aspect ratio and alignment adjustments.

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I was wondering that what will happen to a car which has a negative camber angle of over 45 degrees, will it make impossible to even move or it is possible if we design special tires for the same..? i know it will be almost impossible to steer such a vehicle but i want to know what is the significance of the alignment of tire when it comes to tractive force and efficiency.Although grip is dependent on camber angle and so is the tractive force , still is there any possibility that a vehicle with almost 50-60 degrees of camber can move within a speed range of 0-50 mph with a sound efficiency?
 
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Yes, it can move. There's a whole design style about extreme camber, it is called oni kyan or demon camber.

Is it efficient? No. Purely styling. Normally, when you add camber, you want to add toe-out to compensate such that the tire do not steer when the car is driven in a straight line.
 
good one Jack,,,,I did not know this ...true proof you can teach an old dog new tricks...
 
I would guess aspect ratio of the tire will determine the maximum camber that can be harnessed.
 
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