Very Simple Inequalities Proof

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality |x+y| ≥ |x| - |y| for all numbers x and y. Participants are exploring the application of absolute value properties and algebraic manipulation in the context of inequalities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of given hints and properties of absolute values, such as |a+b| ≤ |a| + |b| and |-y| = |y|. There are attempts to manipulate the inequality and questions about the algebraic rules needed to progress from one form to another.

Discussion Status

Some participants express appreciation for the guidance provided, indicating that they are beginning to understand the concepts involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to effectively use the hints given in the textbook to approach the proof.

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Participants mention their inexperience with proofs and the foundational nature of the problem, suggesting a learning environment where assumptions and definitions are being actively questioned.

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Homework Statement



Prove the following inequalities for all numbers x, y.

|x+y| ≥ |x|-|y|

[Hint: Write , and apply , together with the fact that


Homework Equations



These were given as hints in my textbook:

x=x+y-y
|a+b| ≤ |a| + |b|
|-y|=|y|


The Attempt at a Solution



I realize that this is very elementary but this is my first day teach myself calculus and that I am inexperienced using proofs in math. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

1) x=x+y-y
2) |x+y|≤|x|+|y|
3) |-y|=|y|
4) x+y=x+y
5) √(x+y)^2=√(x+y)^2
6) |x+y|=|x+y|
7) |x+y|≤|x|+|y|
8) |x+y|≤|x|+|-y|
 
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Can you see |x+y|+|-y|>= ? by the relevant facts you were given?

clarence829 said:

Homework Statement



Prove the following inequalities for all numbers x, y.

|x+y| ≥ |x|-|y|

[Hint: Write , and apply , together with the fact that


Homework Equations



These were given as hints in my textbook:

x=x+y-y
|a+b| ≤ |a| + |b|
|-y|=|y|


The Attempt at a Solution



I realize that this is very elementary but this is my first day teach myself calculus and that I am inexperienced using proofs in math. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

1) x=x+y-y
2) |x+y|≤|x|+|y|
3) |-y|=|y|
4) x+y=x+y
5) √(x+y)^2=√(x+y)^2
6) |x+y|=|x+y|
7) |x+y|≤|x|+|y|
8) |x+y|≤|x|+|-y|
 
If I could get to |x+y|+|-y|≥ |x| then I'd just have to pull |-y| to the right side of the inequality and apply |-y|=|y| to |-y| and I'd have my proof. The problem is that I'm unfamiliar with the various algebraic rules that apply to absolute value, particularly in inequalities.

What are the rules and steps that will get me from x=x+y-y to ≤|x+y|+|-y≥|x|?
 
clarence829 said:
If I could get to |x+y|+|-y|≥ |x| then I'd just have to pull ...
To get to |x+y|+|-y|≥ |x|, use |a+b| ≤ |a| + |b| which is equivalent to |a| + |b| ≥ |a+b|.

x+y takes the role of a.

-y takes the role of b.
 
@SammyS

I see how you're getting your solution and I appreciate the help.

After the question in my textbook (Lang) it says "Hint: Write x=x+y-y, and apply |a+b| ≤ |a|+|b|, together with the fact that |-y|=|y|.

How would one use x=x+y-y in solving this proof?
 
clarence829 said:
@SammyS

I see how you're getting your solution and I appreciate the help.

After the question in my textbook (Lang) it says "Hint: Write x=x+y-y, and apply |a+b| ≤ |a|+|b|, together with the fact that |-y|=|y|.

How would one use x=x+y-y in solving this proof?

x = x+y-y

|x| = |(x+y)+(-y)| ≤ |(x+y)| + |(-y)| ...
 
Everything just finally clicked and it all makes sense now. Thanks again for the help.
 
clarence829 said:
Everything just finally clicked and it all makes sense now. Thanks again for the help.
You're welcome !
 

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