Vibrations: Hell of a Class, My Teacher is Awesome!

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Cyrus
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Vibrations
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced in a vibrations class, focusing on the difficulty of the material, the teaching methods employed, and the experiences of students from different academic backgrounds. Participants share their struggles with specific problems, particularly those involving Taylor series expansions and higher-order terms, and reflect on their learning experiences in engineering versus physics contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the difficulty of the class and the reliance on the teacher's office hours for homework help.
  • Another participant questions the expectation of using Taylor series expansions, noting that it was not explicitly taught in class.
  • Some participants discuss the differences in problem-solving approaches between engineering and physics, suggesting that engineers may take longer routes to solutions.
  • A participant mentions the specific context of a homework problem related to car suspension and the application of spring constants.
  • There is a mention of the textbook used in the course, highlighting its focus on differential equations and linear algebra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of experiences and opinions regarding the class's difficulty and teaching methods. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the material or the expectations set by the instructor, indicating a mix of agreement and disagreement among participants.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their experiences may differ based on their academic backgrounds, with engineers feeling a culture shock when encountering physics concepts. There are references to unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding prior knowledge of Taylor series.

Who May Find This Useful

Students in engineering or physics programs, particularly those taking courses in vibrations or related fields, may find this discussion relevant to their experiences and challenges.

Cyrus
Messages
3,246
Reaction score
17
Man, that class is really insanely hard.

Excuse me, while I go cry. :cry: :cry:

My teacher has office hours the day before its due from 3-6. Basically, the ONLY way you can solve the homework, is by getting help from him, because its that hard. He gave us a problem and everyone got stuck, then he said, you should do a taylor series expansion for a small angle approximation...everyone was like you expected us to do WHAT!?

:smile: Oh well, he is still a freaking awesome teacher. But dammit it's hard material...someone shoot me...no seriously, shoot me now, right now. :!)

/rant.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
so the beach boys had it wrong?
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
He gave us a problem and everyone got stuck, then he said, you should do a taylor series expansion for a small angle approximation...everyone was like you expected us to do WHAT!?

In what year are you? I would expect that this would be taught in a freshman year...
 
Uhhh,...nooo (actually, hell no). Sure, we did that crap in calculus, and we do it all the time in derivations of equations, like Navier stokes, or Fourier's law etc; but, this was the first time I have seen a homework where it was assumed for you cancel out higher order terms and then use a talor series expansion. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE got that problem right. And he never even mentioned using the talor expansion in class. I guess that part was painfully obvious, to him. :smile:

We have a test thursday, Sh!t...

This is by far the hardest, and best, class I have taken.

P.s. I'm not a phyiscs major Dimitri, so maybe they do that stuff in Physics, we didn't.
 
Last edited:
My apologies, I assumed that you were a physics student. In that case I can understand the culture shock.
 
Dimitri Terryn said:
My apologies, I assumed that you were a physics student. In that case I can understand the culture shock.

Yeah yeah, us 'dumb' engineers, what can I say :-p
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
Uhhh,...nooo (actually, hell no). Sure, we did that crap in calculus, and we do it all the time in derivations of equations, like Navier stokes, or Fourier's law etc; but, this was the first time I have seen a homework where it was assumed for you cancel out higher order terms and then use a talor series expansion. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE got that problem right. And he never even mentioned using the talor expansion in class. I guess that part was painfully obvious, to him. :smile:

We have a test thursday, Sh!t...

This is by far the hardest, and best, class I have taken.

P.s. I'm not a phyiscs major Dimitri, so maybe they do that stuff in Physics, we didn't.
I'm sure you'll do fine after a couple more weeks, by then you'll think of using things like taylor series and other "neat tricks" more often. I find in my engineering classes that their way of problem solving is different than in physics classes. They are usually more "traditional" in their approach. In some cases, engineers take the long route just because they know it will work, even though they can see a hint of a shortcut in some cases (but they usually don't choose to pursue it)--I'm thinking of a couple problems in my fluid mechanics class when I say this. I suggest to try to get more inventive, even if you think it would take some review on some old thing you learned a long time ago. It may take some of your time away, but it will help expand your scope. By the way, vibrations are freakin' awesome! I've probably not taken the type of class you're in right now, but hot damn, Fourier analysis is cool, and so is quantum mechanics. I still want to figure out how to use those legandre polynomials, hermite polynomials, and bessel functions to solve various partial differentials, which you're probably pretty familiar with by now...
 
Last edited:
Fluids was easy compared to this course :frown:
 
Jonny_trigonometry said:
I'm sure you'll do fine after a couple more weeks, by then you'll think of using things like taylor series and other "neat tricks" more often. I find in my engineering classes that their way of problem solving is different than in physics classes. They are usually more "traditional" in their approach. In some cases, engineers take the long route just because they know it will work, even though they can see a hint of a shortcut in some cases (but they usually don't choose to pursue it)--I'm thinking of a couple problems in my fluid mechanics class when I say this. I suggest to try to get more inventive, even if you think it would take some review on some old thing you learned a long time ago. It may take some of your time away, but it will help expand your scope. By the way, vibrations are freakin' awesome! I've probably not taken the type of class you're in right now, but hot damn, Fourier analysis is cool, and so is quantum mechanics. I still want to figure out how to use those legandre polynomials, hermite polynomials, and bessel functions to solve various partial differentials, which you're probably pretty familiar with by now...

Yeah, I won't lie. The class is damn cool. But were engineers, so we do stuff like vibrations of systems. That homework no one could solve, it has to do with a car suspension. You can effectively change the spring constant through the geometry of the setup. You can also get equations of motion through the energy equations, gravity is really a spring, just tons and tons of great engineering stuff. Were going to go into the lagrange approach to solving systems eventually. If he teaches 672, (non-linear vibrations), I might take it with him, but that's a graduate course for down the road. But this guy is freaking smart as hell.
 
Last edited:
  • #10
Hey cyrus, what book are you guys using?

You know being a civil, all i learned about Vibrations was in my Dynamics class, mostly particle vibration and a small intro to rigid bodies vibrations.
 
  • #11
Mechanical Vibrations by RAO.

Very very heavy into DE, laplace transforms, and linear algebra.
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
6
Views
682
  • · Replies 66 ·
3
Replies
66
Views
8K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
7K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 56 ·
2
Replies
56
Views
7K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
16K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
10K