Viewing Polynomials from k[x,y] as Elements of k[y][x]

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the representation of polynomials from the ring k[x,y] as elements of the ring k(y)[x], where k is a field. Participants explore the implications of this representation, particularly regarding the nature of coefficients and the irreducibility of polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of rational functions in the representation of polynomials from k[x,y] as elements of k(y)[x], suggesting that polynomials of y could suffice.
  • Another participant clarifies that while polynomials are a subset of rational functions, the structure of k(y)[x] as a ring of polynomials in x requires coefficients to be rational functions of y.
  • A participant asserts that k[X,Y] is not equal to k(Y)[X], indicating a distinction between these algebraic structures.
  • There is a query regarding the irreducibility of a polynomial f in k[x,y] when viewed as an element of k(y)[x], with a proposed reasoning involving the multiplication by common denominators of coefficients.
  • A later reply references historical work by Gauss on irreducible polynomials and rational functions, suggesting that this topic has been previously addressed in literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of rational functions in the representation of polynomials, and the discussion regarding the irreducibility of polynomials remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the implications of the proposed reasoning.

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Participants do not fully explore the implications of the assumptions made regarding irreducibility and the treatment of coefficients, leaving some mathematical steps and definitions unresolved.

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"Let f is a polynomial from k[x,y], where k is a field. Suppose that x appears in f with positive degree. We view f as an element of k(y)[x], that is polynomial in x whose coefficients are rational functions of y."

I think I am missing something...why do we need rational functions here? can't we represent any polynomial from k[x,y] as an element of k[y][x] i.e. polynomial in x whose coefficients are polynomials of y?
 
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I'm guessing here given I don't know from where you are getting this but...

Recall that a polynomial is also a rational function just as an integer is also a rational number.

I think the idea is to keep the format of k(y)[x] as a ring of polynomials (in x) over a field. So the y-polynomial coefficients are treated as elements of the larger ring of rational functions of y.
 
Yes, k[X,Y]=k[X][Y]=k[Y][X].

k[X,Y] is NOT equal to k(Y)[X].
 
yes, later on it says that "if f (polynomial from k[x,y]) is irreducible then it remains irreducible as an element of k(y)[x]"

can someone explain to me why it is so?

...I guess, if we assume f = gh where g,h are from k(y)[x] then we can multiply both sides by the product of common denominators of coefficients of g and h, So that we get f c(y) = g_1 h_1, where c(y), g_1, and h_1 are polynomials from k[x,y].

Now, how does this imply that f is not irreducible??
 

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