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The discussion centers on the potential implications and theoretical frameworks surrounding the violation of lepton universality, particularly in the context of the Standard Model of particle physics. Participants explore various theories that could account for such violations while remaining consistent with existing measurements, as well as the impact on popular extensions of the Standard Model, such as the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model (MSSM).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about theories extending the Standard Model that could explain lepton universality violations while being consistent with other measurements.
  • There are mentions of experimental hints at lepton universality violations in certain B meson decays, but also strong constraints from other decay processes where no violations are observed.
  • A specific two-Higgs doublet model is proposed as a potential explanation for the observed anomalies, though its compatibility with existing data is questioned.
  • Participants discuss the possibility that lepton universality violations could be too small to detect in certain decays, suggesting that B meson decays might uniquely exhibit these violations due to specific conditions.
  • One participant suggests that if lepton universality is violated, it might imply additional degrees of freedom distinguishing leptons, while another counters that this implication is too strong and not necessarily applicable to quarks.
  • The relationship between quark and lepton universality is debated, with questions raised about whether the lack of universality in quarks could be related to that in leptons.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the interpretation of neutrinos as uncharged leptons and whether violations in charged leptons could imply similar violations in uncharged leptons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of lepton universality violations, with no consensus reached on the nature of these violations or their broader implications for particle physics. Some participants propose specific theories while others raise doubts about their validity or applicability.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of reconciling potential lepton universality violations with existing experimental data, highlighting the need for careful analysis of various decay processes and the limitations of current observational precision.

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in the event violation of lepton universality is measured and established at 5-sigma level

what are some theories that extend the standard model that would explain violation of lepton universality, while consistent in other SM measurements?

how would violation of lepton universality impact popular extensions of SM such as MSSM?
 
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what are some theories that extend the standard model that would explain violation of lepton universality, while consistent in other SM measurements?

This is a very challenging task.

There are modest experimental hints at lepton universality violations in a few kinds of B meson decays (for example https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.6482 and https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.08614 and https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.05014 and https://cds.cern.ch/record/1706212/files/LHCb-TALK-2014-108.pdf and http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/june-2014/lhcb-glimpses-possible-sign-of-new-physics and multiple papers cited in https://motls.blogspot.com/2013/07/lhcb-3-or-4-sigma-excess-of-b-mesons.html?m=1). See also the papers linked directly or indirectly in this Quantum Diaries Survivor blog post (maintained by an LHC physicist in the field): http://www.science20.com/a_quantum_...iggs_decays_fit_in_with_lhcb_anomalies-152219.

But, there are lots of other tests of lepton universality which strongly constrain any process that violates lepton universality. For example:

* Violations are not seen in certain other kinds of B meson decays. https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.00529
* Violations are not seen in tau lepton decays. https://arxiv.org/abs/1509.02043
* Violations are not seen in pion decays. https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.05845
* Violations are not seen in Z boson decays. https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.5774

One proposal to explain this is a particular kind of two-Higgs Doublet model. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.00993.pdf Other possibilities are discussed by Lubos at The Reference Frame. https://motls.blogspot.com/2015/01/a-model-that-agrees-with-tau-mu-higgs.html#more

But, it isn't clear (to me anyway, without exhaustive analysis of all of the linked papers) that these data points can be squared with the proposed two-Higgs doublet solution or any other theory currently being considered.

Basically, you need a theory that would cause the weak decays of b quarks in some, but not all, B mesons to violate lepton universality, even though lepton universality is not violated anywhere else at observable levels.

It isn't unthinkable that one could come up with such a theory, however.

For example, even though the CP violating phase of the CKM matrix, in principle, affects the weak decays of almost every hadron to some extent, in practice this effect is suppressed so strongly in the vast majority of cases that it is only observable in a tiny minority of hadrons where the suppression is the weakest, and is much more subtle in some kinds of hadron decays than others.

It could be that the lepton universality violations are simply too small in any case observed so far other than B meson decays (the heaviest particles that routinely decay to charged leptons since top quarks overwhelmingly decay hadronically other than the Z boson and Higgs bosons which have symmetries that could prevent violations and W bosons whose behavior is the subject of the question of whether lepton universality is observed) to be seen by detectors that have current levels of observational precision and accuracy.

The fact that lepton universality violations are mediated through W boson decays (since lepton universality mostly involved fermion flavor physics mediated by W bosons), also casts doubt on B mesons being special. One of the deep organizing principles of the Standard Model is that its fundamental particles are interchangeable parts whose behavior is not a product of their histories. A theory that would cause W boson decays from B mesons to act differently than W boson decays from other particles, challenges this very deep and fundamental principle and calls for extraordinary proof.

But, if (an an illustrative proof of concept, not as an actual proposal about reality), lepton universality violations were powerfully suppressed at an energy scale below 4 GeV (slightly below the b quark's mass), for example, for some reason, the only place you would expect to see it is in B meson decays, if symmetry effects could explain why they are not seen in neutral Z boson decays or in the B meson decays where this is not observed. So it could be that B meson decays are capturing a universal property of W boson flavor physics that are just too subtle to observe at lower energy scales.

Honestly, my money is with the lepton universality violations observed to date turning out to be experimental flukes or measurement errors or theory errors, especially after their non-detection in some B meson decays at the LHCb referenced above. But, new BSM physics would be amazing as well.
 
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if there is violation of lepton universality wouldn't this imply there are degrees of freedom that distinguish an electron from a muon and tau, beyond simply their mass
 
That is one resolution, although as I sketched in #2, I don't think it is the exclusive means by which it has to be resolved.
 
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That is one resolution, although as I sketched in #2, I don't think it is the exclusive means by which it has to be resolved.
would a violation of lepton universality also imply quarks in different generations also have an additional degree of freedom
 
Imply is too strong. It would suggest a plausible, theoretically well motivated possibility. But, obviously, not all properties of leptons are shared by quarks. In the same way, the fact that quarks have color charge does not imply that leptons have color charge. But, unlike the charged leptons, quarks aren't universal in the first place.

Perhaps the better question would be whether the lack of quark universality has the same source as a lack of lepton universality.
 
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neutrinos are uncharged leptons. does violation of lepton universality in charged leptons imply in uncharged leptons?
 

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