Visual proof log(ab) = log a + log b

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The discussion revolves around seeking a visual proof for the logarithmic identity log(ab) = log a + log b. Participants explore various methods of illustrating this property, including geometric interpretations and integral definitions, while also questioning the clarity and intuitiveness of these visualizations.

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  • One participant requests an intuitive visual proof for the identity log(ab) = log a + log b and asks if other functions share this property.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical derivation using properties of logarithms and exponents, concluding that log(ab) = log(a) + log(b) holds true.
  • A participant critiques the mathematical approach as overly formal and suggests that a visual representation is lacking.
  • One participant introduces the concept of the area under the curve of y = 1/x, relating it to the logarithm and illustrating how the areas can be combined to show the identity.
  • Another participant acknowledges the cleverness of the area argument but does not provide further elaboration.
  • One participant suggests a more basic interpretation involving shifts in the y-axis when multiplying the argument of a logarithm, though this is met with skepticism regarding its visual proof status.
  • A later reply clarifies that the previous argument was not intended as a rigorous proof but rather as a means to build intuition about the logarithmic property.

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Participants express varying levels of satisfaction with the visual proofs presented, with some finding the area argument clever while others remain unconvinced about its effectiveness as a visual proof. There is no consensus on a definitive visual representation or proof of the logarithmic identity.

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Some participants note that the visual arguments may not be rigorous proofs and highlight the challenge of conveying intuition through visual means. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and approaches to understanding the logarithmic identity.

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Hi,

I'm looking for a visual proof log(ab) = log a + log b

I've seen diagrams where the values are measured out, but it's not immediately obvious why this holds. Is there an intuitive way to illustrate this? Also, are there other functions with this property.
 
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Suppose we have:

$$y=\log_r(ab)$$

This is equivalent to:

$$ab=r^y$$

Now, this may be written as:

$$r^{\log_r(a)}\cdot r^{\log_r(a)}=r^y$$

Or:

$$r^{\log_r(a)+\log_r(b)}=r^y$$

And so equating exponents (and utilizing the one-to-one correspondence of the exponential function), we obtain:

$$y=\log_r(a)+\log_r(b)$$

Which means we conclude:

$$\log_r(ab)=\log_r(a)+\log_r(b)$$

As far as I know, only the logarithmic function has the property:

$$f(xy)=f(x)+f(y)$$
 
Nice, but very bourbaki ;)
Seems there is no immediate way to visualize this.
 
Let's start with the area under the curve $y=\frac 1x$ from $1$ to $a$.
That area is defined as $\color{red}\ln a$.
See the area marked in red.
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=2]
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (4.4,0) node[above] {$x$-axis};
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (0,1.2) node
{$y$-axis};
\draw[red] (1,0) node[below] {$1$}
-- (1,1) node[above right] {$1$} [domain=1:1.8, variable=\x, ultra thick] plot ({\x}, {1/\x}) node
{$\frac 1a$}
-- (1.8,0) node[below] {$a$}
-- (1,0);
\node[red] at (1.4,0.35) {$\ln a$};
\end{tikzpicture}

Now suppose we multiply the x coordinates with $b$.
To keep the area the same, we need to divide the y coordinates by $b$.
The result is the following red area, which still has area $\color{red}\ln a$.
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=2]
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (4.4,0) node[above] {$x$-axis};
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (0,1.2) node
{$y$-axis};
\draw[red] (1.6,0) node[below] {$b$}
-- (1.6,{1/1.6}) node[above right] {$\frac 1b$} [domain=1.6:2.88, variable=\x, ultra thick] plot ({\x}, {1/\x}) node
{$\frac 1{ab}$}
-- (2.88,0) node[below] {$ab$}
-- (1.6,0);
\node[red] at (2.24,0.25) {$\ln a$};
\end{tikzpicture}

Now we put the area belonging to $\color{blue}\ln b$ next to it in blue.
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=2]
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (4.4,0) node[above] {$x$-axis};
\draw[->] (0,0) -- (0,1.2) node
{$y$-axis};
\draw[blue] (1,0) node[below] {$1$}
-- (1,1) node
{$1$} [domain=1:1.6, variable=\x, ultra thick] plot ({\x}, {1/\x})
-- (1.6,0)
-- (1,0);
\node[blue] at (1.3,0.35) {$\ln b$};
\draw[red] (1.6,0) node[below] {$b$}
-- (1.6,{1/1.6}) node[above right] {$\frac 1b$} [domain=1.6:2.88, variable=\x, ultra thick] plot ({\x}, {1/\x}) node
{$\frac 1{ab}$}
-- (2.88,0) node[below] {$ab$}
-- (1.6,0);
\node[red] at (2.24,0.25) {$\ln a$};
\end{tikzpicture}
The result is $\ln b + \ln a = \ln(ab)$.​
 
I like Serena said:
Let's start with the area under the curve $y=\frac 1x$ from $1$ to $a$...

Now that's clever. (Yes)
 
Nifty.
More basic, you could also argue multiplying the argument of a log just shifts the curve in the y-axis by the log of the multiplicator: log(b) = log(ab) - log(a), here with constant b = e, a on the x axis.
 

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Ppp said:
Nifty.
More basic, you could also argue multiplying the argument of a log just shifts the curve in the y-axis by the log of the multiplicator: log(b) = log(ab) - log(a), here with constant b = e, a on the x axis.

The visual proof I gave corresponds to the definition of the logarithm and substitution:
$$
\ln a + \ln b \overset{\small\text{def}}= \int_1^a \frac {dx}x + \int_1^b \frac{du}u
= \int_1^a \frac {d(u/b)}{u/b} + \int_1^b \frac{du}u
= \int_b^{ab} \frac {du}{u} + \int_1^b \frac{du}u
= \int_1^{ab} \frac {du}{u}
\overset{\small\text{def}}= \ln(ab)
$$

How would that argument be a visual proof?
 
Well, to be precise, I didn't claim it was a rigorous proof ;) - it's more to gain intuition.
 

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