Visual Representation of Separation of Varables

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The discussion centers around the visualization of the separation of variables technique, particularly in the context of the time-independent Schrödinger Equation. Participants express a desire for graphical representations and tutorials that effectively illustrate this mathematical method, while also exploring its applications and limitations in physics and engineering.

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  • One participant seeks visual tutorials for separation of variables, specifically for the Schrödinger Equation, noting the lack of diverse representations available.
  • Another participant highlights that separation of variables is a niche technique applicable to certain partial differential equations, questioning its uniqueness and effectiveness in generating solutions.
  • A suggestion is made to contact Grant Sanderson from the 3blue1brown YouTube channel for potential visual explanations, given his expertise in mathematical visualization.
  • A participant reflects on their experience with exact differentials in thermodynamics, expressing difficulty in visualizing discontinuities in non-exact differentials.
  • Geometric Algebra and Calculus are introduced as alternative frameworks that may provide more intuitive insights into vector analysis and its applications in physics, including quantum mechanics.

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Participants express a shared interest in finding better visualizations for separation of variables, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness or uniqueness of the technique itself, nor on the best methods for its visualization.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of separation of variables, including its applicability to a limited set of equations and the potential for non-unique solutions. There is also mention of unresolved questions regarding the graphical representation of certain mathematical concepts.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, mathematical methods in physics, or anyone looking for innovative ways to visualize complex mathematical techniques.

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Are there any good written or video tutorials out there that shows graphically how separation of variables works
Are there any good visualization tutorials, written or video, that show graphically how separation of variables works?
I particularly have the time-independent Schrödinger Equation in mind. There are hundreds of demonstrations out there which essentially distill to copies of one another. However I am trying to visualize in my mind how this process looks graphically - for example plotting t on one axis and x on the other for f(x,t).
I have seen other good visual representations of mathematical methods but none for this one.
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I searched around but couldn't a geometric way of explaining separation of variables.

It seems it's really a niche technique that works for a small set of partial differential equations. You make an assumption that the solution is a product of functions of each independent variable and see where it leads you.

It leaves open the issue of when it does and doesn't work and whether it generates a unique solution or any solution at all. However, there are certain partial differential equations that are common to physics and engineering like the wave equation where separation of variables does work and that makes it a worthwhile technique to learn.

What would be enlightening is if you or someone at PF contacted Grant Sanderson of the 3brown1blue youtube channel to see if he knows a visual way of presenting separation of variables. He has many videos already where he presents beautiful visualizations for calculus, linear algebra and many famous math problems.
 
Thank You Jedishrfu !
I too am a fan of 3brown1blue and have sent a message as you suggested. I got my degrees 50 years ago and I think years later Grant, unlike so many others, has gone beyond the common use of computers and made use of them to visualize math.
My knowledge of math is largely related to Quantum mechanics and as you say maybe separation of variables is not common.

I have long had similar thoughts about exact differentials which appear a lot in thermodynamics. Graphing a "smooth" surface, a point on that surface can be approached continuously from many different directions. But I think when the differential is not exact, there is a discontinuity depending upon the direction of approach. I can "think" this but don't quite know how to graph it.

I will report here if I get word from Grant.
thanks Fritz
 
You might be interested in Geometric Algebra and Calculus too. Its a repackaging of vector analysis ideas among other topics and can be used in many fields of ohysics including quantum mechanics.

Its also more intuitive and works across all dimensions not just 3.

They define the geometric product and how vectors are multiplied that makes more sense than having a dot product and cross product. At least the was my feeling.

 
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