Visualizing Point at Infinity - Euclidean Plane

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The discussion revolves around visualizing the concept of a Point at Infinity (or ideal point) within the context of the Euclidean plane. Participants explore various methods and models to represent this abstract idea, including connections to the extended real line and projective geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest visualizing the Point at Infinity using the extended real line, where +∞ and -∞ correspond to the endpoints of a closed interval.
  • One participant describes curling the interval [0, 1] into a circle to illustrate the projective real line, where the endpoints merge into a single point.
  • Another participant proposes visualizing the complex projective infinity as a missing point on a sphere, indicating a similar conceptual framework.
  • One participant challenges the idea that every point on the Euclidean plane can be interpreted as an ideal point, asserting that none of these points qualify as such.
  • Multiple methods are presented for visualizing the Point at Infinity, including using a sphere to represent points in the plane and identifying the north pole as the ideal point, and using circles to differentiate between regular and ideal points.
  • Another approach involves considering lines in the plane, where parallel lines determine points at infinity, suggesting there are multiple ideal points depending on the lines chosen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of points in the Euclidean plane and the nature of the Point at Infinity. There is no consensus on a single model or visualization, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some visualizations rely on specific assumptions about topology and correspondence, and the discussion highlights the complexity of defining ideal points in various contexts without resolving these assumptions.

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Can anyone provide a visual of a Point at Infinity (or the ideal point)? I'm trying to visualize it and I apparently always end up interpreting every point on the Euclidean plane as an ideal point.
 
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Gear300 said:
Can anyone provide a visual of a Point at Infinity (or the ideal point)? I'm trying to visualize it and I apparently always end up interpreting every point on the Euclidean plane as an ideal point.
The easiest example to visualize is the infinite points of the extended real line. The real line has the same shape1 as the open interval (0, 1), and the extended real line has the same shape as the closed interval [0, 1]. In this picture, the points +\infty and -\infty of the extended real line correspond to 1 and 0.

If you curl [0, 1] into a circle (so that 0 and 1 become the same point), you get the projective real line.

The projective complexes have a similar picture: you can wrap the complexes up into a sphere missing a point. Under this picture, complex projective infinity would correspond to that missing point.


1: topologically, at least. There is a homeomorphism between the two spaces. For example, the map f(x)= (\arctan(x) + \pi / 2) / \pi
 
Hurkyl said:
The easiest example to visualize is the infinite points of the extended real line. The real line has the same shape1 as the open interval (0, 1), and the extended real line has the same shape as the closed interval [0, 1]. In this picture, the points +\infty and -\infty of the extended real line correspond to 1 and 0.

If you curl [0, 1] into a circle (so that 0 and 1 become the same point), you get the projective real line.

The projective complexes have a similar picture: you can wrap the complexes up into a sphere missing a point. Under this picture, complex projective infinity would correspond to that missing point.


1: topologically, at least. There is a homeomorphism between the two spaces. For example, the map f(x)= (\arctan(x) + \pi / 2) / \pi

I'm somewhat getting what you're saying...the vision you provided goes beyond how I was thinking...thanks
 
Well, you are certainly wrong if you "end up interpreting every point on the Euclidean plane". None of the points on the Euclidean plane is an "ideal point"!

One way to visualize it is this: Imagine a sphere sitting on the Euclidean plane so its "south pole" at (0,0). Draw a line from it "north pole" to a point on the plane. The point on the sphere where that line intersects the sphere is "identified" with the point in the plane. That identifies, in a one-to-one manner, every point on the plane with every point on the sphere except one- the "north pole". It is the "north pole" that now corresponds to the "point at infinity" or the "ideal point".

Here's another way. Draw a circle, of radius R, with center at (0,0). Identify points within the circle as "regular points", points on the circle as "ideal points". Of course that does not give a "one-to-one" correspondence so we let R go to infinity. In the limit, the point "inside the circle" are the points of the plane and the points "on the circle" are the "points at infinity". Notice that this gives an infinite number of "ideal points" or "points at infinity" not just one as the first construction does. These two models are not "topologically equivalent".

Yet a third method (the "projective plane"): Imagine not points but lines in the plane. "Points" are identified with the intersection of two lines. Two parallel points determine a "point at infinity". Of course, if I start with L1 and L2 not parallel, lines parallel to L1 will determine a different "point at infinity" that lines parallel to L2 so here we also have an infinite number of "ideal points" or "points at infinity". This model is topologically equivalent to the second of the two above.
 

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