Volterar operator is Vf(x) = int (f(s)ds,0,x)

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The discussion centers on the Volterra operator defined as Vf(x) = ∫(f(s) ds, 0, x) and its adjoint. Participants explore how to demonstrate the relationship between the operator and its adjoint, including the integration limits involved.

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  • One participant states the definition of the Volterra operator and proposes that its adjoint is V*f(x) = ∫(f(s) ds, x, 1).
  • Another participant suggests using the definition of an adjoint operator to understand the integration limits.
  • Participants discuss the definition of the inner product and its relation to the operator, with one providing a specific form for the inner product.
  • There is mention of integrating by parts and the confusion regarding the integration limits from 1 to x.
  • A participant introduces the characteristic function and provides a textbook definition of the Volterra operator, noting its common representation.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about when to switch the order of integration during integration by parts.
  • A later reply clarifies the task of finding the adjoint operator and emphasizes that switching the order of integration is necessary, rather than using integration by parts.

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Participants are engaged in a technical discussion with varying levels of understanding regarding the adjoint operator and the integration process. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the relationship between the operator and its adjoint, and some confusion remains about the integration limits and methods.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and processes involved, particularly regarding the integration limits and the application of integration by parts versus double integrals.

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Given that the volterar operator is Vf(x) = int (f(s)ds,0,x)

The adjoint of this operator is

V*f(x) = int(f(s)ds,x,1)

How do I show this ?
 
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Well, I would think by using the definition of "adjoint operator"! Which is?
 


If A in B(H,K), then the unique operator B in B(K,H) satisfying u(h,k) = <Ah,k>=<h,Bk> is called the adjoint of A.

How does this definition tell you that you integrate from x to 1?
 


Well, I guess now the question is "How is <u, v> defined?"
 


[tex]<f,g> = \int f(x) \overline{g(x)} dx dy[/tex]

and given that

[tex]Vf(x) = \int^{x}_{0} f(s) ds[/tex]

[tex]<Vf,g> = \int^{x}_{0} f(s) \overline{g(s)}[/tex]

Here we have to integrate by parts.
[tex]<Vf,g> = f(s)g(s)|^{x}_{0} - \int^{x}_0 f(s)g(s) ds[/tex]

I'm still don't see where the integral from 1 to x arises or how I get rid of g
 
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Let k:[0,1]X[0,1]-> R be the characteristic function of {(x,y);y<x>}. The corresponding operator V: L^2(0,1)->L^2(0,1) defined by

Vf(x) = int k(x,y)f(y)dy on [0,1] is called the volterra operator.

That was the textbook definition. Then they note Vf(x) = int f(y) dy on [0,x]

as with most online sources.

What's the later tell you?
 


I"m sure I just use the later.

When integrating by parts when do you switch the order of integration?
 


First let's make sure we've answered Halls' questions, Nusc.

You have: [tex]\langle f, g \rangle = \int_0^1 f(x) \overline{g(x)} \, dx[/tex]
and: [tex]Vf = \int_0^x f(s) \, ds[/tex]

Now, you want: [tex]\langle Vf, g \rangle = \langle f, V^\ast g \rangle[/tex]. The task being to find [tex]V^\ast[/tex]. You have actually been given a [tex]V^\ast[/tex], so are only required to check it.

The left-hand side of this equality translates to
[tex]\int_0^1 (Vf)(x) \overline{g(x)} dx = \int_0^1 \left( \int_0^x f(s) ds\right) \overline{g(x)} dx[/tex]

We may write this as a double integral: [tex]\int_0^1 \int_0^x f(s) \overline{g(x)} \, ds \, dx \; \; \; (\ast)[/tex]

Noting that the required right-hand side is of the form
[tex]\langle f, V^\ast g \rangle = \int_0^1 f(t) \overline{(V^\ast g)(t)} dt[/tex]
(where t is an arbitrary parameter: above we used 'x')

we see from (*) that finding [tex]V^\ast[/tex] just requires one to switch the order of integration: take t=s; we want ds dx to become dx ds.

There is no "integration by parts" required. This work comes solely under "double integrals".
 

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