A Volume constraint in micro-canonical derivation of statistical physics

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The discussion centers on the role of volume constraints in the micro-canonical ensemble of statistical physics. It highlights that while the total volume of the system is stated to be constant, this constraint is not explicitly applied in deriving distributions. The participants suggest that introducing a volume constraint is necessary to ensure the system remains closed, particularly when energy levels depend on volume changes. The relationship between energy levels and volume is emphasized, noting that fixed energy levels imply a constant volume. Overall, the conversation seeks clarification on the implications of volume constraints in the micro-canonical framework.
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Another question about the use of the micro-canonical ensemble in deriving distributions.

On the Wikipedia-page the authors mention that the total volume of the system has to be constant.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose–Einstein_statistics#Derivation_from_the_microcanonical_ensemble

On the other hand this statement is not used as a constraint or in any other way that I can see.

In a way it would however make sense to introduce a volume constraint in order to make sure the system is closed.
If V is not constant (meaning W is not zero), but U is constant, then Q is not zero and the system is not closed (at least for an ideal gas).

Does anybody know about volume constraints in the microcanonical picture?
 
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In E = ∑niεi one has generally E = ∑niεi(N,V). Each εi changes in a continuous manner if V is vhanged infinetely slowly.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
In E = ∑niεi one has generally E = ∑niεi(N,V). Each εi changes in a continuous manner if V is vhanged infinetely slowly.
So the volume constraint is not used explicitly, but if the energy levels ei depend on the volume then the assumption of fixed energy levels implies a constant volume.
Is that correct?
 
One can see it in this way.
 
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