Von Neumann Entropy of a joint state

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The discussion centers on the von Neumann entropy of a joint quantum state, particularly exploring its properties and implications in the context of quantum information theory. Participants examine the relationship between the von Neumann entropy and the Holevo $\chi$ quantity, as well as the specific case of two quantum systems represented by a joint state density matrix.

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  • Post 1 presents definitions of von Neumann entropy and the Holevo $\chi$ quantity, posing a question about the properties of von Neumann entropy that lead to a specific expression for the entropy of a joint state.
  • Post 2 proposes that the properties of von Neumann entropy, specifically the additive property for tensor products and the relationship with Shannon entropy, are relevant to the question posed in Post 1, but notes a lack of clarity on a specific aspect needed to reach the conclusion.
  • Post 3 inquires about the source of the information referenced in Post 1.
  • Post 4 cites a specific paper as the source of the information discussed, indicating a reference point for the claims made.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specific property of von Neumann entropy that leads to the stated result, and there is ongoing exploration of the topic with some uncertainty expressed regarding the completeness of the arguments presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex mathematical relationships and properties of quantum states, with some assumptions about the definitions and properties of von Neumann entropy and related quantities that are not fully resolved.

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Definition 1 The von Neumann entropy of a density matrix is given by $$S(\rho) := - Tr[\rho ln \rho] = H[\lambda (\rho)] $$ where ##H[\lambda (\rho)]## is the Shannon entropy of the set of probabilities ##\lambda (\rho)## (which are eigenvalues of the density operator ##\rho##).

Definition 2 If a system is prepared in the ensemble ##\{ p_j, \rho_j \}## then we define the Holevo $\chi$ quantity for the ensemble by $$\chi := S(\rho) - \sum_j p_j S(\rho_j) $$

Short Question : Let ##A## and ##B## be two quantum systems in a state of the form $$\rho^{(AB)} = \sum_k q_i |a_{i}^{(A)} \rangle \langle a_{i}^{(A)} | \otimes \rho_{i}^{(B)} $$
where the states ##|a_{i}^{(A)} \rangle## are orthogonal. What property of the von Neumann entropy implies that the von Neumann entropy of the joint state is $$S(\rho^{(AB)}) = H(\vec{q}) + \sum_i q_i S(\rho_{i}^{(B)})? $$

Thanks for any assistance.
 
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Proposal: I'm pretty sure it makes use of the following properties of von Neumann entropy: $$S(\rho_{A} \otimes \rho_{B}) = S(\rho_{A}) + S(\rho_{B})$$ and if ##\rho_{A} = \sum_{x} p_x | \phi_x \rangle \langle \phi_x|## then $$S(\rho_{A} \otimes \rho_{B}) = H(X) + S(\rho_{B})$$ where ##X = \{| \phi_x \rangle, p_x \}##. I'm still missing something which leads to the result stated above...
 
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