W boson-like particle from Higgs

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of a virtual particle similar to a W boson being produced from a Higgs boson decaying into two photons. Participants explore the implications of such a scenario, including the characteristics and contributions of potential W boson-like particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a virtual particle similar to a W boson could arise from a Higgs decay into two photons, suggesting a disturbance in the W field.
  • Another participant clarifies that the final state of the decay consists solely of two photons, with no W boson present, and notes that the virtual W contributes to the decay amplitude.
  • A question is posed about whether a W boson-like particle must share the same charge and mass or just the spin of a W boson, with an acknowledgment that an antiparticle would accompany it.
  • It is suggested that any particle coupling to the Higgs and possessing electric charge could contribute to the decay amplitude, without needing to match the W boson's mass, spin, or charge.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the term "disturbance," leading to a clarification that charged particles can emit and absorb photons, which is necessary for mediating the Higgs decay.
  • A participant admits to misunderstanding the previous points regarding the disturbance in the W field.
  • One participant defines "disturbance" as a ripple in the W field, implying the presence of a virtual W boson.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the disturbance and the characteristics required for a W boson-like particle. There is no consensus on the implications of these particles in the context of Higgs decay.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on specific definitions of terms like "disturbance" and the characteristics of particles involved in the decay process. The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the contributions of various particles to the decay amplitude.

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Just a random question I thought of while daydreaming. Is it possible for a virtual particle that is not a W Boson, but is very like one (same mass, spin, etc.) to be produced from a Higgs decaying into two photons?



Higgs→λλ+disturbance in W field.
 
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I'm not sure I understand the question.

Higgs→λλ+disturbance in W field.

This writing is misleading. There is no W boson (real or virtual) present in the final state. The final state consists of two photons and that's it.

The Virtual W (The disturbance in the W field, if that's what you mean) contributes to the decay amplitude (not the only contribution in the SM. The top quark also has a sizable contribution)

If your question is whether a particle similar to the W boson could also contribute to the decay amplitude, The answer is yes. A massive spin 1 charged particle would contribute, However there are no such particles in the SM except the W boson.
 
Would said W boson-like particle have to share the same charge and mass or just the spin of a W boson? And there would be an anti particle to accompany, correct?
 
Any particle which couples to the higgs (and thus gets mass from the higgs mechanism) and has electric charge would contribute.
It doesn't have to have the same mass, spin or charge as the W boson.
It Would have a distinct antiparticle as any electrically charged particle.
 
Ok, thank you for your replies.
 
Wait, I hear you saying that any charged particle can cause a disturbance in any particles field.
 
I'm still not sure what you mean by the word disturbance.

The fact that the particle is charged means that it can emit and absorb photons. This is required in order for the particle to mediate the h->\gamma\gamma decay.

That that the particle is charged doesn't mean that it couples to every particle (or field)

W bosons for example don't couple to gluons
 
Ok, my bad I misunderstood.
 
And by 'disturbance' I mean a ripple in the W field suggesting a virtual W boson.
 

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