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Astronuc said:
Insanity is hereditary: You catch it from your kids - Ronald Reagan
[in his personal diaries just released]
Was Ronald Reagan truly a man of integrity?
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Discussion Overview
The discussion centers around the integrity of Ronald Reagan, exploring various perspectives on his character and actions during his presidency. Participants reference his recently released diaries, personal quotes, and historical context, while expressing differing opinions on his legacy and moral standing.
Discussion Character
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants express admiration for Reagan's integrity and likability, citing his follow-through on campaign promises and personal anecdotes from his diaries.
- Others challenge the notion of Reagan's integrity, highlighting his support for controversial groups and dictators, suggesting that his actions were not always honest or principled.
- A participant mentions that despite disagreements with some of Reagan's policies, they believe he acted according to his convictions, attributing any wrongdoing to his advisors.
- There are humorous remarks about Reagan's background in show business and light-hearted comments on his quotes.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally express mixed views on Reagan's integrity, with some supporting the idea that he was a man of integrity while others present counterarguments regarding his actions and decisions. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on his character.
Contextual Notes
Some claims about Reagan's integrity depend on interpretations of his actions and the historical context of his presidency, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion reflects personal opinions and experiences rather than established historical consensus.
Insanity is hereditary: You catch it from your kids - Ronald Reagan
[in his personal diaries just released]
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Some of these are great!
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For all who remember the days of Reagan, this may be quite interesting - a review of his newly released diaries. It reminds of why Reagan was so loved and why I respected him so much: What he valued most was his integrity. No matter how I felt about any particular decision, for me this always shined in him.
[One reason that I like Obama so far is that I get hints of the same thing from him.]
See the second half of Meet the Press from this morning.
[One reason that I like Obama so far is that I get hints of the same thing from him.]
See the second half of Meet the Press from this morning.
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Reagan impressed me because he actually followed through (or at least made an attempt) on his campaign promises. He came across as a very likeable person.
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Ronald Reagan should have stayed in show business, and Bush should have stayed in Texas.
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Astronuc said:
He did!
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in California.
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yes reagan was a good guy. here's some good stuff about him:
http://deoxy.org/reagan.htm
& greg palast's tribute:
http://www.gregpalast.com/killer-coward-con-man-rngood-riddance-gipper/
http://deoxy.org/reagan.htm
& greg palast's tribute:
http://www.gregpalast.com/killer-coward-con-man-rngood-riddance-gipper/
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fourier jr said:
Well, let's take one of your quotes
"We're not building missiles to fight a war.
We're building missiles to preserve the peace." Ronald Reagan
He did help to end the cold war, and he and Gorbachev nearly managed to eliminate all missiles, but I assume that you weren't even a twinkle in your mamas eye back then.
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I'll take an actor with integrity over a rich brat with none any day of the week.
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I wish I could agree on Reagan's integrity, but I saw another side. He was not quite honest, and his support for groups like the Contras (and other illegal CIA activities in Latin America) and certain dictators, including Saddam Hussein, who violated human rights in various countries is problematic.
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Astronuc said:
Astro, I'll move these posts to the Remembering Reagan thread a little later.
My take on that is that he may have done things that I disagree with, but after watching the Iran-Contra hearings, I was convinced that he always did what he thought was right, and people around him like BUSH were ultimately responsible for any genuine wrong doing. In fact, this goes back to the origins of my disdain for Bush I. Unfortunately, Bush II is in a league of his own.
You might be interested in knowing that my support of Reagan almost caused Tsu and I to split.