News Was the USSR Truly The Evil Empire?

[Pengwuino]

Aldrich Ames, Kim Philby, the debacle in Iraq, Navy Officers providing sensitive information to Soviets (don't remember the names), etc. I could give many more but I don't have the time to look them up too check the names and specifics, etc.
What I do know is that none of such major incidents happened in the KGB.
Conclusion: In comparision to organizations such as the KGB, US was very poor in spying.

Oh well what are we talking about? You sound like you were saying that US spy missions were badly done or planned out. The "proof" of this was 2 Soviet spys working against the "west" (One seems to be British only) , buzz words, and your navy officers providing info. There can be no denying a lof of information was taken by the Soviet Union but what you said was that US spy missions sucked and that's what i would like proof of.

 

[Joel]

I voted yes. If the words 'evil empire' has any meaning, the sovijet is it. However, personally I'd avoid such a description because of its poor information value; it doesn't say anything about what the negative aspects are.

 

[Art]

Well this would relevant if the thread had anything to do with US being called an evil empire (however, many ideologs love to spin every topic into a "United States = Evil" rant).

Folk are just trying to establish a baseline for the discussion Pengwuino i.e. what actually makes an empire 'evil'. Presumably Reagan didn't consider the USA to be evil and so it seems necessary to factor out those elements the USA and Russia held in common. When we see what's left people can determine if that makes Russia evil

 

[sid_galt]

There can be no denying a lof of information was taken by the Soviet Union but what you said was that US spy missions sucked and that's what i would like proof of.

Failure to kill Fidel Castro, failure to remove Sukarno in Indonesia, failure to get Salvador not elected in Chile, failure to prevent the Iran theocratic uprising, debacle of the counterintelligence group of the CIA due to infestation of moles, etc.

The CIA was a great organization in the 50s when it was bold and aggressive. After that it just fell apart IMO.

 

[Pengwuino]

now that's what I am looken for.

haha i read "CIA due to infestation of moles" and thought CIA was a guy who was really ugly...