Water surface behavior under pressure change

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of the water surface in a compressed air vessel when the pressure drops from 10 bar to atmospheric pressure. Participants explore the dynamics of water movement, the effects of pressure changes, and potential boiling under specific conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the reduction in pressure is due to the loss of air, asserting that water is not compressible and thus the water volume will remain unchanged, leading to no significant change in the surface position.
  • Another participant proposes that the water surface may be disturbed by ripples due to the dynamic escape of air from an asymmetric orifice.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that the strain in the pressure vessel itself may cause the water level to rise as the vessel shrinks during pressure release.
  • One participant raises the possibility that if the water temperature is between 100°C and 160°C, it may begin to boil as pressure decreases.
  • Another participant mentions that if the water has been under high pressure for an extended period, dissolved gases may escape upon pressure release, leading to bubble formation and movement in the water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of pressure change on water movement, with no consensus reached regarding the primary cause of surface behavior. Some agree on the potential for disturbances due to escaping air, while others introduce additional factors like vessel strain and temperature effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the incompressibility of water may not hold completely under certain conditions, and the discussion includes assumptions about the duration of gas dissolution in water and the specific temperature range affecting boiling.

Bjott
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Hi togehter,

this may be an easy one for most, but I'm really struggling with imagining the process.
Suppose we have a compressed air vessel that is half filled with water. The pressure in the vessel drops from 10 bar to atmospheric pressure within a few seconds. How does the water surface behave? Is there any movement due to the pressure difference? Or does the water only move due to the flow of the escaping air. Or is there no movement at all?

Thank you very much!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Welcome to PF.

I assume the reduction in pressure is due to loss of air only, not water.
Water is not really compressible, so the water volume will not change due to the change in pressure. The position of the surface should not change. The surface may be disturbed with ripples temporarily, caused by the dynamic escape of the air from an asymmetric orifice.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: russ_watters
It also may change due to changing strain in the pressure vessel itself. The pressure vessel will get smaller so the water will rise.

(Note, at this level you probably cannot consider the water to be completely incompressible either)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Baluncore
If the temperature happens to be above 100C (and below 160C), the water will start to boil.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Bystander, russ_watters and Dale
If the water has stayed in this vessel with the high pressure air for a long period of time, then gas will dissolve in the water (at least, more than in atmospheric conditions). When the pressure is released the gas will escape again leading to small bubbles (also, already existing bubbles underwater will grow). Otherwise, not much movement as already pointed out.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K