Wave and Particle Mass Energy Forms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of energy, particularly the relationship between mass energy and its potential wave characteristics. Participants explore whether mass energy can exist in wave form, drawing parallels with other forms of energy such as electromagnetic waves and sound waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that since energy can exist in wave or particle form, mass energy might also be in wave form, questioning its characteristics.
  • One participant notes that electromagnetic radiation already has a wave form, suggesting that waves transport energy using different physical variables.
  • Another participant mentions that quantum field theory treats particles as waves, indicating that mass influences their "frequency," although this frequency is not classical.
  • A later reply asserts that "mass energy" is already in wave form due to the wavelike properties of particles.
  • One participant emphasizes that energy is a measure of potential work rather than a tangible object, arguing that this may limit the applicability of wavelike properties to energy, especially at quantum levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether mass energy can be considered to have wave properties. While some suggest it does, others argue against the notion, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of energy and mass, as well as the assumptions about wave properties at different scales, particularly quantum levels. These aspects remain unresolved.

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I was wondering that since most forms of energy can either be in wave or particle form, (example; photons and electromagnetic wave) and also since mass is also a form of energy, could mass energy also be in wave form, and if so, what would its characteristics be?
 
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To some extent you have answered your own question since you have observed that EM radiation has a wave form.

Waves transport energy.
Different types of waves use different physical variables to effect this

For example EM uses electric fields,
Sound wave use pressure
Water waves use momentum

All of which can do mechanical work

So you can input energy in one place, use the wave variable to transport it somwhere else and then use it to do work to recover that energy.
 
Quantum field theory treats particles as waves, and their mass influences the "frequency" (this is not a classical frequency, but it looks similar in equations).
 
Physicist50 said:
I was wondering that since most forms of energy can either be in wave or particle form, (example; photons and electromagnetic wave) and also since mass is also a form of energy, could mass energy also be in wave form, and if so, what would its characteristics be?

"Mass energy" is already in wave form as the mass of particles, which have wavelike properties.
 
Good Point, thanks Drakkith.
 
Understand that energy is not a "thing". It is a measure of what something "can do", meaning that energy is a measure of how much work something can do on something else. If a particle hits another one we can measure the starting and ending velocities of both particles, and knowing their mass, we know how much work was done by the first particle on the second. But what if we can't simply do an experiment like this and want to know how much work we can do IF we want to, or IF another event happens? For example we may need to know how fast a heating device will raise the temperature of a room before we build either one. That's where energy comes into play. We can say, based on our measurements of things like mass, velocity, etc, that A can do X amount of work to B, and assign a number to how much energy it possesses.

Since energy isn't a tangible object, we cannot give it wavelike properties. Keep in mind that this description may break down at quantum levels. I don't know enough to say for certain it would still apply there. (Although I think it does)
 

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