Wave direction and speed of propagation

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of waves described by a partial differential equation (PDE). Participants explore how to modify the equation to achieve a wave that travels towards a surface in the negative direction, while also addressing the mathematical implications of their modifications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation and seeks assistance in modifying it to reverse the wave's direction, indicating that the wave currently propagates in the positive z direction.
  • Another participant notes that the equation only involves z and not x or y, suggesting that the wave's direction is determined by z.
  • A participant clarifies that they want the wave to start from infinity and move towards the surface, aiming to achieve a negative wave velocity.
  • Concerns are raised about the divergence of the term exp(-z/zeta) at z = -∞ for zeta > 0.
  • Participants discuss the need for clarity in the function, suggesting simplifications and the elimination of constants for better readability.
  • One participant simplifies the equation into components representing a background wave and left/right traveling waves, questioning the accuracy of the transcription of the original equation.
  • Another participant shares a plot generated from the simplified model, noting that it resembles their own results from MATLAB, and discusses the effects of removing certain wave components.
  • Links to plots of sinusoidal waves are shared, highlighting changes in wave patterns after a specific wave front arrives.
  • Observations are made regarding the behavior of the wave components over time, particularly their movement and decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence in the mathematical expressions. There is no consensus on the best approach to modify the wave direction, and multiple perspectives on the implications of the equations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for clearer definitions and simplifications in the equations, indicating potential limitations in understanding due to complex notation and assumptions about constants.

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Wave direction and speed propagation
I have an answer to a partial differential equation.
I have the equation coded as followed. I am trying to get this wave to propagate back after it hits a given z value. Can anyone help me figure out the direction in this equation?

upsilon=sqrt(3*((1-nu)/(1+nu))*(B/row));expansion=exp(-z/zeta).*(1-.5.*exp(-upsilon.*step(t)/zeta))-.5.*exp(-abs(z-upsilon.*step(t))/zeta).*sign(z-upsilon.*step(t));eta=(1-R)*((Q*Beta)/(A*zeta*C))*((1+nu)/(1-nu))*expansion;
 
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However I am not confident to have read or understood the equation you wrote well, only z, not x,y, seems to appear in it. So I suppose the direction which the equation determines would be z.
 
Sorry please let me clarify. We are ignoring the y and x planes. The wave is traveling in the z direction away from the surface as time increase. What I am trying to do is modify the equation so that the wave starts at infinity far away and moves toward the surface as time increases.
In essence I am trying to change my wave velocity to negative. I have tried inversing my terms with z and t but this creates an infinitely building wave.
 
Thanks. I have another preliminary observation that exp(-z/zeta) would diverge at z=##-\infty## for zeta > 0.
 
the pde that i worked through (which was also previously done by another) was defined that boundary conditions are from z=0 to z=infinity.
 
It is not clear what your function is. What is step? You need to write the equation as a simple function of z and t; i.e. eliminate constants by setting them to convenient values (for example upsilon=1, zeta=1 and eta=1*expansion or are z and t buried in these terms) and use the formatting tools on PF so that it is readable.
 
once again, i apologize. i have never used a forum for this before.
n(z,t)=(3/2)(1.5/.5)(e-z(1-.5e-3t)-.5e-abs(z-3t)*sgn(z-3t))
 
Let’s simplify further
m(z,t) = e-z(1-.5e-3t)-.5e-abs(z-3t)*sgn(z-3t)
= e-z-.5e-(z+3t)-.5e-abs(z-3t)*sgn(z-3t)
= f(z) + g(z+3t) + h(z-3t)
which is a spacially dependent background + a left going wave + a right going wave
Are you sure everything you wrote is transcribed correctly?
 
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So i didnt think to expand the exp(1-.5exp) so that actually made it easy to look at.
Your plot is in essence what i get when I use matlab. I programmed your simplified model and I get that same graph. A crest and trough that moves in the positive direction as time goes toward infinity.
So I also noticed what you are saying about the background left and right wave. Just playing around with it, when I remove the g(z+3t) The wave does not have a noticeable change. However If I remove the h(z-3t) then it just becomes a exponential with no movement in time.

I appreciate your help.
 
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Notice at t=0, g=h in the region of interest
For t>0, g quickly runs outside the region leaving its exponentially decaying tail while h moves to the right.
 
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sorry for the late responce, thank you for your help
 

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