Wave Equation, stuck on a partial calculation

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The discussion revolves around verifying a solution to the wave equation using direct substitution and calculating partial derivatives. Participants explore the application of Leibniz's formula for differentiation under the integral sign, as well as the chain rule for derivatives of functions of multiple variables.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the second partial derivative of a function defined by an integral, specifically u(x,t).
  • Another participant suggests using Leibniz's formula for differentiation under the integral sign to assist with the derivative calculation.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the application of Leibniz's formula, noting a difference between the integrand's variable dependence.
  • There is a question about the correct notation for the derivative of \phi(x+t), with uncertainty about whether it should be expressed as \phi '(x + t) or \phi_{x}(x+t).
  • One participant confirms they found a solution in a textbook, indicating they no longer need assistance.
  • Another participant reiterates their confusion about the integrand's variable dependence and revisits the derivative calculation, suggesting that the partial derivative could be zero under certain conditions.
  • A clarification is provided regarding the use of the chain rule for the derivative of \phi(x+t), with a participant confirming the correct application leads to \phi'(x+t).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Leibniz's formula and the chain rule. There is no consensus on the best approach to the derivative calculations, as some participants are confused while others provide clarifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific mathematical notations and formulas, but there are unresolved questions about the application of these concepts, particularly regarding the dependence of integrands on multiple variables and notation conventions.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about partial differential equations, differentiation under the integral sign, and the application of the chain rule in calculus.

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Hey everybody,

My professor started our PDE I class in Chapter six, so I am having a hard time with the really basic stuff to get the theory down.

One of my questions to answer is to verify a solution by using direct substitution.

[tex]u(x,t) \ = \ \frac{1}{2}\left[\phi(x+t) \ + \ \phi(x-t) \right] \ + \ \frac{1}{2} \int^{x+t}_{x-t}\Psi(s)ds[/tex]

With initial conditions

[tex]u(x,t_{0}) = \phi(x) \ , \ \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,t_{0}) = \Psi(x), \ and \ t_{0} = 0[/tex]

satisfies [tex]\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial x^{2}} - \frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial t^{2}} = 0[/tex]

It was easy for me to plug and chug to show that [tex]u(x,t_{0}) = \phi(x) \ and \ \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,t_{0}) = \Psi(x)[/tex]

Clearly my next step is to find [tex]\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial x^{2}}[/tex]

but that's the step on which I'm stuck. Can someone get me started? If someone can show me how to do the second partial w.r.t x, it would be a good exercise for me to figure out the second partial w.r.t t. I apply the chain rule and just get a bunch of garbage back, which means I'm messing it up somewhere.

Any input is appreciated.
 
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You need "Leibniz' formula":
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \phi(x,t)dt= \frac{d\beta}{dx}\phi(x,\beta(x))- \frac{d\alpha}{dx}\phi(x,\alpha(x))+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dt[/tex]

It's really just applying the chain rule correctly.
 
[tex] \frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \phi(x,t)dt= \frac{d\beta}{dx}\phi(x,\beta(x))- \frac{d\alpha}{dx}\phi(x,\alpha(x))+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dt[/tex]

I'm having trouble understanding this. It looks like the integrand you gave is a function of 2 variables, but the integrand I have is a function of one variable. I'm not sure what to do with that.

Also:
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} (\phi(x+t)) = ?[/tex]

is it [tex]= \phi '(x + t), \ or \ \phi_{x}(x+t) \ ?[/tex]

In the notation of a function, how do I write that? I guess I'm having a notational brain fart.
 
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I found this worked out in Walter Strauss's book, so I guess I don't need help anymore. Thanks for looking :)
 
Somefantastik said:
[tex] \frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \phi(x,t)dt= \frac{d\beta}{dx}\phi(x,\beta(x))- \frac{d\alpha}{dx}\phi(x,\alpha(x))+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dt[/tex]

I'm having trouble understanding this. It looks like the integrand you gave is a function of 2 variables, but the integrand I have is a function of one variable. I'm not sure what to do with that.
In that case,
[tex]\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x}= 0[/tex]
and the formula becomes
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} \phi(x,t)dt= \frac{d\beta}{dx}\phi(x,\beta(x))- \frac{d\alpha}{dx}\phi(x,\alpha(x))[/tex]

Also:
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} (\phi(x+t)) = ?[/tex]

is it [tex]= \phi '(x + t), \ or \ \phi_{x}(x+t) \ ?[/tex]

In the notation of a function, how do I write that? I guess I'm having a notational brain fart.
Use the chain rule. If [itex]\phi'(u)[/itex] is the derivative of [itex]\phi[/itex] as a function of the single variable u, then
[tex]\frac{\partial\phi(x+t)}{\partial x}= \phi'(x+t)(1)= \phi'(x+t)[/tex]
 

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