The Significance of the Hermition Conjugate in Wave Functions

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the Hermitian conjugate in wave functions, exploring its meaning, implications, and the physical interpretation of the product of a wave function and its conjugate. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and conceptual clarifications regarding wave functions.

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  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of the Hermitian conjugate of a wave function and whether it represents another state of the wave function.
  • One participant suggests that the product of a wave function and its conjugate is a method for calculating the square of the wave function's magnitude, which corresponds to probability density.
  • A participant explains that the conjugate wave function solves a modified Schrödinger equation, indicating a relationship to time-reversal transformations.
  • In the relativistic context, it is proposed that the conjugated wave function may relate to antiparticles.
  • Several participants express confusion about the concept of a wave function, with varying descriptions ranging from it being a mathematical tool to a way of representing quantum states and probabilities.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of the mathematics involved in understanding wave functions, suggesting that it cannot be easily explained in lay terms.
  • Another participant asserts that while the wave function may seem meaningless, it serves as a useful construct for calculating measurement probabilities.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation and significance of the Hermitian conjugate and wave functions, with no consensus reached on a clear understanding or definition of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect uncertainty about the nature of wave functions and their interpretations, highlighting the complexity and abstractness of the topic. The discussion includes various perspectives on the physical meaning and mathematical representation of wave functions.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking to understand the nuances of wave functions and their mathematical properties.

deependra1003
Suppose there is a wave function for a particle. What is the actual meaning of hermition conjugate of the wave function? Does the conjugate represent any other state of the wave function? What is the physical meaning of product of wave function and its conjugate? Please explain.
Thanks in advance.
 
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deependra1003 said:
Suppose there is a wave function for a particle. What is the actual meaning of hermition conjugate of the wave function? Does the conjugate represent any other state of the wave function? What is the physical meaning of product of wave function and its conjugate? Please explain.
Thanks in advance.

Different people have different ways of thinking about this stuff, but it may be safest (that is, least likely to mislead you) if think of the entire mathematical formalism as just a machine for calculating stuff with no physical significance of its own. I can use a calculator to calculate the kinetic energy of a moving object, but I don't ask how the calculator keys might be related to the object.
 
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deependra1003 said:
What is the physical meaning of product of wave function and its conjugate?

This is just a convenient way of calculating the square of the magnitude of the wave function, which is the probability density.
 
If you have a wave function ##\psi(t,\vec{x})## as the solution of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, you can easily show that the conjugate function solves the conjugate Schrödinger equation, but the conjugate Schrödinger equation looks pretty much like the Schrödinger equation, except that the sign of the term with the time derivative changes, because of the ##\mathrm{i}## in front of it. The Schrödinger equation reads
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t \psi(t,\vec{x})=\hat{H} \psi(t,\vec{x})=\left [-\frac{\Delta}{2m}+V(\vec{x}) \right ] \psi(t,\vec{x}).$$
Now take the conjugate complex of this equation. The only change is the sign on the left side of the equation and that the conjugate wave function occurs:
$$-\mathrm{i} \partial_t \psi^*(t,\vec{x})=\left [-\frac{\Delta}{2m}+V(\vec{x}) \right ] \psi^*(t,\vec{x}).$$
This shows that complex conjugation has to do with the "time-reversal transformation", because the changed sign in front of the time derivative can be interpreted as following the time evolution backwards. Indeed, it's immediately clear from the equation, that the solution of the complex conjugate equation is not a solution of the original Schrödinger equation, but obviously ##\psi^*(-t,\vec{x})## is.

Indeed, it turns out that the time-reversal transformation is realized as an anti-unitary operator rather than a unitary one. For details, see a good QT textbook, e.g., Sakurai&Napolitano.
 
deependra1003 said:
Does the conjugate represent any other state of the wave function?
In the relativistic case, the conjugated wavefunction is sometimes related to the antiparticle.
 
what is wave function actually. i don't get a clear view
 
kaushikquanta said:
what is wave function actually. i don't get a clear view

Its the expansion of the state in terms of position eigenstates.

If you don't know the technicalities then the above is likely gibberish - but unfortunately this is one area that can't be explained in lay terms.

At the lay level simply look at it as a way of describing the quantum state that emphasises position measurements.

That still leaves open what is a state. In lay terms its simply a device that allows us to calculate the probabilities of the outcomes of observations.

Thanks
Bill
 
kaushikquanta said:
what is wave function actually. i don't get a clear view

A whole lot of very complicated math. :wink:
 
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kaushikquanta said:
what is wave function actually. i don't get a clear view

1. There is no clear view. It is a meaningless thing that we use to calculate the probabilities of measurement outcomes.

2. However, we make no mistake if we pretend that it is the complete state of a single quantum system.
 

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