Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

I Wave-particle duality and localization

  1. Mar 11, 2016 #1
    I have read recently that the motion of an electron of momentum p must be described by the means of a plane waves :[itex]\psi(\vec r,t)=Ae^{i(\vec k \cdot \vec r -wt)}=Ae^{i(\vec p\cdot \vec r -Et)/\hbar}[/itex]
    de Broglie hypothesis states that every particle of momentum p has a wavelength lamda.

    I will split my question into three parts:
    My first part concerns the plane wave by itself:
    1) Why plane waves are written like this [itex]\psi(\vec r,t)=Ae^{i(\vec k \cdot \vec r -wt)}[/itex]
    why not like this for example:[itex]\psi(\vec r,t)=Ae^{i(\vec k \cdot \vec r +wt)}[/itex]
    2) Is it called a plane wave since in the far region they will approximately be like a plane?
    3)what does the imaginary part of this wave means physically?

    My second part concerns the wavefunction:
    1) If the electron of momentum p is described by means of a plane wave, does this mean that we cant predict at all the position of the particle? since the plane waves has no sensible normalization ( [itex]|\psi(x)|^2=A[/itex] )in all the space.
    2) If the answer of the above question is yes, then why in the cases of interference and diffraction the position of the electron can be predicted as there are bright,dark and intermediate fringes.Does the wavefunction change, in this case, from a plane wave to another wavefunction that have a sensible normalization?Can we relate this to wavepackets?

    My third part concerns de Broglie hypothesis:
    "Whenever the de Broglie wavelength of an object is in the range of, or exceeds its size, the wave nature of the object is detectable,hence it cannot be neglected.But if de Broglie wavelength is much too small compared to its size,the wave behavior of this object is undetectable".
    Can somebody give an example that show me this?
    THANKS!!
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2016
  2. jcsd
  3. Mar 11, 2016 #2

    blue_leaf77

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    That's the wavefunction of a free electron.
    1) Because the time evolution operator looks like ##e^{-iHt/\hbar}##.
    2) By saying "far", you are automatically considering something distinctive in space, from which you measure distances and say that a point is "far" if it is located a great distance from this thing. In free space (i.e no potential), obviously there is no way you can say "far" as the space is homogenous. However, in some physical applications like electron scattering off certain potential or other objects, it's usually sufficient to assume that far away from the scatterer, the electron has a plane wave wavefunction.
    3) The imaginary part of a wavefunction means as significant as does the real part. The wavefunction is a complex quantity - I don't think you will get more insight by studying the real and imaginary parts separately.
     
  4. Mar 11, 2016 #3
    Ok, then the plane wave here came from the schrodinger equation.
    Thanks, but you still didn't tell me why it is named a plane wave?
     
  5. Mar 11, 2016 #4

    blue_leaf77

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Because the mathematical expression looks like that of a plane wave.
     
  6. Mar 11, 2016 #5
    I mean Why Acos(kx -wt) is the expression of the plane wave?
    I can't find a correlation between the "plane" and this expression.
    I don't know if you got what I mean.
     
  7. Mar 11, 2016 #6

    Mentz114

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    It is geometry. The direction ##\vec{k}## defines an orthogonal plane of equal momentum.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2016 #7
    Why we write the expression of the plane wave like this [itex]\psi(x,t)[/itex]=Acos(kx-wt)? What is the problem If we write it like this Acos(kx+wt)?
     
  9. Mar 11, 2016 #8

    blue_leaf77

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Note that by switching from ##e^{i(kx-\omega t)}## to ##\cos(kx-\omega t)##, you are also switching the discussion from that of quantum mechanical wavefunction to that of a classical wave because the latter is not a solution of the time dependent Schroedinger equation for free space.
    The function ##\psi(x,t)=Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}## is called a plane wave solution because for any time ##t##, the surface of constant phase, ##kx-\omega t =C##, is a plane perpendicular to the x axis.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2016 #9
    What about the other parts of my question?:check:
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted



Similar Discussions: Wave-particle duality and localization
Loading...