Wave Speed Dependency on Distance from Top of Hanging Rope

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The problem involves a rope of length l and mass m that is hanging from a ceiling, with a focus on determining how the wave speed depends on the distance z from the top of the rope.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the wave speed formula and expresses confusion regarding the relationship between wave speed and the distance from the top of the rope. Some participants question the tension in the rope at different points and how it relates to the mass of the rope below a certain point. Others explore the implications of cutting the rope and analyzing the free-body diagram for the lower section.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and prompting further exploration of the concepts involved. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the tension in the rope and its effect on wave speed, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of variable definitions and the physical setup of the problem, including the distribution of mass along the rope and how it affects tension at different points.

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Homework Statement


The question asks:
There is a rope, of length l, and of mass m hanging from the ceiling. What is the wavespeed dependency on z, the distance from the top?



Homework Equations


I used:

V=(FL/M)^(1/2)



The Attempt at a Solution



V=(m(Z/L)gl/m)^1/2=sqrt(zg)
The answer is:
SQRT((l-z)g)

I do not know how to attain this answer, and any help would be great! Thanks!
 
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Uppercase and lowercase letters generally represent different variables. Stick with using one or the other. Don't switch between them randomly.

According to your work, the tension F in the rope is equal to m(z/l)g. That means at the top where z=0, the tension is F(z=0)=0, and at the bottom, where z=l, the tension is F(z=l)=mg. Does that sound right?
 
vela said:
Uppercase and lowercase letters generally represent different variables. Stick with using one or the other. Don't switch between them randomly.

According to your work, the tension F in the rope is equal to m(z/l)g. That means at the top where z=0, the tension is F(z=0)=0, and at the bottom, where z=l, the tension is F(z=l)=mg. Does that sound right?

My thought process was, that if I have, say L = 10, and Z= 3, that would mean, I would have only have 3/10(mg)...but now that I think about it, that actually means I have 7/10(mg) because the tension is holding 7/10 of the rope. Can I think of it as if I hold my finger at a point z, what is below it is the mass of the string? Thank you!
 
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Imagine cutting the rope at a distance z from the top. Draw the free-body diagram for the bottom part of the rope and then solve for F.
 
vela said:
Imagine cutting the rope at a distance z from the top. Draw the free-body diagram for the bottom part of the rope and then solve for F.

Gotcha, thank you very much for your help! :D
 

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