Waves in a vertical hanging string

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The problem involves a vertically hanging string with mass M and length L, where the mass is uniformly distributed. Participants are tasked with finding the tension in the string as a function of position and determining how the speed of transverse waves varies along the string.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the tension in the string and its dependence on position, with one confirming the original poster's calculations. Questions arise regarding the implications of the wave speed approaching zero at the bottom of the string and whether this indicates that waves would stop at that point. Another participant expresses discomfort with treating the wave as a normal traveling wave and explores the differential equation governing the system.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are validating calculations, while others are questioning the physical implications of the results and seeking deeper understanding through mathematical exploration.

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Participants are considering the assumptions related to the behavior of waves in a hanging string and the implications of varying wave speed along its length. There is a focus on the mathematical formulation of the problem, including differential equations and series solutions.

Summer95
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I want to make sure I have this right before I move on to the rest of this problem!

1. Homework Statement


A string with mas M and length L is hanging freely and the mass is uniformly distributed along its length.

Homework Equations



a: Fend the tension in the string as a function of x, M, L , and g

b: Show that speed of transverse wave v is x dependent and find v as a function of x, M, L, and g.

c:

The Attempt at a Solution



a: ##F_{T}=\frac{L-x}{L}Mg##

b: ##v=\sqrt{\frac{F_{T}}{\mu }}=\sqrt{\frac{\frac{L-x}{L}Mg}{\frac{M}{L}}}=\sqrt{\frac{L(L-x)g}{L}}=\sqrt{(L-x)g}##
 
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Summer95 said:
a: ##F_{T}=\frac{L-x}{L}Mg##

b: ##v=\sqrt{\frac{F_{T}}{\mu }}=\sqrt{\frac{\frac{L-x}{L}Mg}{\frac{M}{L}}}=\sqrt{\frac{L(L-x)g}{L}}=\sqrt{(L-x)g}##
Looks right. (Assuming x is measured from the top :)
 
It's an interesting question to think about. It seems to be saying that the speed goes to zero at the bottom end of the string. Does that mean that a wave in the string will stop dead at the bottom end of the string? Does that seem to be what really would happen in a vertically hanging string?
 
DEvens said:
It's an interesting question to think about. It seems to be saying that the speed goes to zero at the bottom end of the string. Does that mean that a wave in the string will stop dead at the bottom end of the string? Does that seem to be what really would happen in a vertically hanging string?
Thinking about this some more, I'm not comfortable with simply treating it as a normal traveling wave with a speed that changes along the length. Writing out the differential equation and applying separation of variables, the time-dependent part is SHM, but for the x-dependent (after normalising somewhat) I get xX"+X'+X=0. That has the series solution ##\Sigma \frac{x^i}{{i!}^2}##. Anyone see how to get that into a known closed form?
 

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