Wavefunction collaps past/future effect

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wavefunction collapse in quantum mechanics, exploring whether wavefunctions truly collapse and the implications of such a collapse on the relationship between past and future events. Participants examine various interpretations of quantum mechanics, including the role of observation and the nature of reality in relation to wavefunctions.

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  • One participant questions whether wavefunctions "collapse" implies destruction and recreation, suggesting an analogy to a guitar string and its harmonics.
  • Another participant states that quantum mechanics provides probabilities about the ultra-micro world, and observations yield measures of events, leaving uncertainty between measurements.
  • A participant notes that in the standard interpretation, wavefunctions do collapse, but the reality of the wavefunction itself is uncertain, complicating the understanding of collapse.
  • Some interpretations of quantum mechanics include hidden variables, which could lead to a classical-like understanding of wavefunction behavior without collapse, as seen in Bohmian Mechanics.
  • Other hidden variable theories assert that collapse is real, with examples including GRW and continuous spontaneous localization theories.
  • One participant emphasizes that while some interpretations include collapse, not all do, and the formalism used does not necessitate it.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of wavefunction collapse, with some supporting the idea of collapse in certain interpretations while others argue against it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the reality of wavefunctions and the implications of their collapse.

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Participants highlight the lack of experimental evidence favoring any hidden variable theories, indicating limitations in current understanding and the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics.

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Wavefunction "collaps" past/future effect

A newb writes,

Do wavefunctions really "collapse?" It seems like this implies that they are destroyed and then recreated. Would it be more accurate to consider them like a guitar string and that observing it is like hitting the harmonic?

I guess another way to put this question would be to ask, Does a wavefunction's past effect its future once a certain observation has made it "collapse" and "reform"?

Wave Function

_______wave's past_________observation___Future
.-------------^------------------. V .--------^-------.
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~~~~|
^_____________________________.^.
Neck_______________________The harmonic
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My poiny of view:
1. QM equations give us the probabilities about something. And are the best ones that we have to describe that ultra-micro world.
2. "observations" give us measures about what happen.
3. Between two measures we simple doesn't know how the ultra-micro world is or behave.
To now more, you can see the following thread:
Can future events affect the past?
 
In the standard interpretation, wave function "really" do collapse, but we don't know whether the wave function is real, so we don't know whether the wave function really collapses.

It is often said that the collapse is just analogous to the transition from uncertainty to certainty when one throws a die and gets a result. However, this is difficult to make precise in the standard interpretation, because quantum uncertainty without hidden variables is not uncertainty about reality, since the wave function is not necessarily real.

However, in some cases, eg. non-relativistic quantum mechanics, we can imagine that there are hidden variables. In this case, quantum mechanics is very much like a classical theory, just a bit unusual in its nonlocality. In this case, one can derive the wave function collapse as an effective approximation to a reality in which there is no wave function collapse. Bohmian Mechanics is an example of this sort of hidden variable theory. At present we don't know if it can be extended to cover all relativistic quantum phenomena.

Another sort of hidden variable theory postulates that the collapse is real. Example of this sort of hidden variable theory are the GRW and continuous spontaneous localization (CSL) theories.

At present, we have no experimental evidence favouring any of the hidden variable theories.
 
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batmanmg said:
Do wavefunctions really "collapse?"

In interpretations that have collapse - yes. But not all interpretations do. The formalism that all interpretations use doesn't have it.

Thanks
Bill
 

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