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The discussion centers on the nature of radiofrequency (RF) photons and their wavefunctions, particularly in relation to dipole antennas and directed antennas like Yagi antennas. Participants explore the quantum mechanical description of RF photons, their probability distributions, and the implications of detection on wavefunction collapse. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and comparisons with classical electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the wavefunction of an RF photon emitted by a dipole radiator would resemble the classical dipole antenna pattern, with the probability of finding the photon in space described by this pattern.
  • Another participant questions whether the wavefunction of a photon emitted from a Yagi antenna would be "directed," proposing that it might not be due to the nature of interference, despite acknowledging that single photons can exhibit interference effects as shown in the double-slit experiment.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of microwave cavity quantum electrodynamics, noting that there is no significant difference between optical and microwave non-classical states of light, except for energy levels.
  • This participant also emphasizes that classical electromagnetism principles generally apply to nonclassical light, albeit with more complex formalism, and highlights the importance of coherence properties in distinguishing between different states of light.
  • Another participant asserts that radiowaves should not be viewed as "streams of photons," but rather as coherent states of the quantized electromagnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of RF photons and their wavefunctions, particularly regarding the nature of wavefunctions in relation to antenna types. There is no consensus on whether RF photons can be accurately described as streams of photons or coherent states, and the discussion remains unresolved on several theoretical points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of applying classical electromagnetism to quantum scenarios, and the discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of photons and the implications of detection that are not fully resolved.

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Radio waves are usually not viewed as streams of photons but according to quantum mechanics that is exactly what they are. But what does the wavefunction of an RF photon look like?

If we consider a dipole radiator, say of 10 Mhz, that emits a single photon, my guess is that the wavefunction of this photon would be identical to the classical dipole antenna pattern. The probablility of finding this photon in space would be described by this dipole pattern. However, once the photon was detected the wavefunction would collapse and the (very small) total energy would be located at that point.

Is this a correct assumption?

Also, if we a consider a directed antenna, such as a yagi, which is only a dipole with passive reflectors and
directors, that emits a single photon, would the wavefunction be "directed" as well? I would guess that it would not be "directed" because a yagi functions by interference and a single photon would not generate interference. But it is a very weak guess because the double-slit experiment shows that a single photon does interfere with itself.

Would there be a "directed" wavefunction with a yagi?
 
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Microwave cavity quantum electrodynamics is done using superconducting qubits. Here is a review (many others are available).

As far as I know, there is no real difference between optical and microwave non-classical states of light (apart from lower energies of course). More to the point of your question. What you do usually, is define the state of your electromagnetic field and then work with operators, such as operators of electric field, to extract experimentally observable quantities, e.g. power. A general rule of thumb, to the best of my knowledge, is that most of the things that work for classical electromagnetism, will also work for nonclassical light, but with much harder formalism. Where you do start seeing differences is in the second and higher-order coherence properties of light.
 
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Frank Peters said:
The probablility of finding this photon in space would be described by this dipole pattern.

You would have state of your electromagnetic field ##|\psi \rangle## and the operators of your electric (##\hat{\vec{E}}##) and magnetic (##\hat{\vec{H}}##) fields, and the expectation value of this ##\langle\psi |\hat{\vec{r}}.\left(\hat{\vec{E}}(\vec{r}, t)\times\hat{\vec{H}}(\vec{r}, t) \right)|\psi\rangle## would follow the dipole pattern.

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Is this a correct assumption?

This can all be calculated. No need to assume here.
 
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Also let me just add that radiowaves are not "streams of photons" but rather coherent states of the quantized electromagnetic field.
 
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