Way to generalize the relationship between T and T^2?

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The discussion revolves around the diagonalizability of linear transformations and their squares in finite-dimensional vector spaces. Participants explore the implications of a transformation being diagonalizable and whether this property holds for its square, T^2, as well as the conditions under which these statements are true or false.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if T is diagonalizable, then T^2 is also diagonalizable, but the reverse implication is generally false, citing the example of eigenvalues.
  • Another participant questions whether both implications hold if T is over the complex numbers, suggesting a potential equivalence.
  • A counterexample is provided involving a nilpotent matrix, where T^2 can be diagonalizable while T is not.
  • Discussion arises regarding the criteria for diagonalizability, particularly concerning the zero matrix and its eigenvalues.
  • Participants debate the diagonalizability of the sum of two diagonalizable matrices, with one expressing uncertainty about finding a suitable basis for the sum.
  • A question is posed about a specific 2x2 nilpotent matrix and its diagonalizability, leading to further exploration of the properties of nilpotent matrices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that if T is diagonalizable, then T^2 is diagonalizable. However, there is disagreement regarding the reverse implication, with some asserting it is false in general and others questioning under what conditions it might hold, particularly in the context of complex numbers.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of their claims, particularly regarding the nature of eigenvalues and the conditions under which matrices are considered diagonalizable. The discussion includes unresolved questions about specific examples and the implications of nilpotent matrices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in linear algebra, particularly those interested in the properties of linear transformations, diagonalizability, and the implications of matrix operations in finite-dimensional vector spaces.

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Hey,
I know that if T(linear transformation in finite dim-vector space) is diagonalizable, then the matrix A that represent T is diagonalizable if there exist a matrix P=! 0 that is invertible and A=P^-1 * D * P for a diagonal matrix D.
I also know that raising A to a positive power will equal the right side with D raised to that same power. i.e. A^n = P^-1 * D^n * P
Does this imply that if T is diagonalizable so is T^2? what if T^2 is diagonalizable, then does that imply T is diagonalizable?

I think that it is an iff statement. Can anyone shine some light into this situation? maybe a counter example? is there a way to generalize the relationship between T and T^2?
 
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T diagonalizable certainly means T^2 is diagonalizable. The reverse implication is false, in general. To see why: if t is an e-value of T, then t^2 is an e-value of T^2. Now, what if s is an e-value of T^2? We're surely going to want sqrt(s) an e-value of T, but what if the matrices are over R and s=-1?
 
So if T is over the complex numbers, then both directions are true?
i.e. T is diagonalizable <=> T^2 is diagonalizable?
 
no. the standard example of a on diagonalizable matrix is a nilpotent matrix. so if T^2 = 0, then T^2 is obviously diagonal but T may not be.

e.g. differentiation of linear functions is square nilpotent, but there are no linear functions such that Df = af except f =0.
 
I thought for T to be diagonalizable, it should have dimT distinct eigenvalues or dim(T) linearly independent eigenvectors. Then how is the Zero matrix diagonalizable? aren't the roots all the same(i.e. =0)? and null(T)=C^n?
 
It is diagonalizable by your own criteria: any basis is a set of linearly independent eigenvalues.
 
How about the addition of two diagonalizable matricies? Is it always diagonalizable in some basis if the field is the complex numbers?
my initial thought is: yes. by the spectral theorem. but not 100% sure since I suspect we might not be able to find a basis for the addition of the matrices which in turn would make it diagonalizable.
any thoughts??
 
Have you attempted to find a counterexample? Keep in mind that a nonzero nilpotent matrix is not diagonalizable.
 
Here's a new question(related to the subject). Is the 2x2 matrix with only a scalar in the right upper corner and all other entries = 0, diagonalizable? That matrix, call it T, is nilpotent. T^2 is the zero matrix. Isn't the zero matrix diagonalizable? it is in the diagonal form so it must be. Is T diagonalizable??
 
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If the scalar in the upper right corner is nonzero, then no, this matrix is not diagonalizable. It's been pointed out twice in this thread that a nonzero nilpotent matrix is not diagonalizable (general nxn matrices even, not just 2x2s) -- try to prove this.
 

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