Weak interactions that change lepton flavor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around weak interactions and their role in changing lepton flavor, specifically whether W and Z bosons can facilitate such changes, and the implications of flavor-changing neutral currents in particle physics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that flavor-changing charged currents exist, with muon decay being a prime example involving W-bosons.
  • Others inquire about the nature of flavor-changing neutral currents, questioning whether they are merely rare or completely forbidden.
  • A participant explains that "highly suppressed" refers to processes that are allowed but involve more vertices in Feynman diagrams, leading to smaller contributions.
  • There is a discussion about the impossibility of charged currents conserving flavor, as they must couple to different fields with different charges.
  • Some participants note that while charged currents cannot conserve flavor at each vertex, overall flavor can be conserved in certain processes.
  • A later reply challenges the clarity of the explanation regarding interactions that cancel flavor violation, suggesting it may confuse rather than clarify the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of flavor-changing neutral currents and the conditions under which flavor can be conserved in weak interactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the complexity of Feynman diagrams and perturbation theory, indicating that understanding these concepts is crucial for grasping the nuances of flavor-changing interactions.

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Are there any [itex]W^\pm[/itex] or [itex]Z^0[/itex] interactions that change lepton flavor? For example, turn an electron into a muon or vice versa?

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I wonder, what is the meaning of "highly suppressed" when describing flavor-changing neutral currents? Do such interactions exist and are just rare, or are they completely forbidden?

Also, is it possible for a changed weak current to conserve flavor?
 
Do you know perturbation theory, Feynman diagrams and the meaning of vertices? For each vertex in a diagram you get a power of a small quantity, so a diagram with a large number of vertices comes always with a high power of a small quantity <1 and therefore represents a small quantity.

Highly suppressed means that you can draw diagrams for allowed processes of flavor changing neutral currents, but that these diagrams contain a typically more vertices and therefore represent only a small correction to other processes.
 
I'm taking an introduction course in elementary particle physics (3rd year level). We did study Feynman diagrams, at least qualitatively. And I understood your explanation, thanks :)

Could you please answer my second question (is it possible for a changed weak current to conserve flavor)?
 
It is not possible for a charged current to conserve flavor, because it must couple to two different fields to couple with two fields of different charges. A photon can couple to u-ubar or d-dbar, but a charged boson needs to couple to u-dbar or d-ubar.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It is not possible for a charged current to conserve flavor, because it must couple to two different fields to couple with two fields of different charges. A photon can couple to u-ubar or d-dbar, but a charged boson needs to couple to u-dbar or d-ubar.

There are charged current contributions to processes like [itex]e\nu_e \rightarrow e\nu_e[/itex] or [itex]ud \rightarrow ud[/itex] scattering where overall flavor is conserved, even though flavor is not conserved at each vertex. (If you object to the second case as relying on free quarks, it can be though of as a proxy for [itex]pn \rightarrow pn[/itex].)
 
Yes, but that's not very helpful. Yes, technically you can have two interactions, each with flavor violation that cancels the other. But is that something likely to clarify the OP's understanding or add to the confusion?
 

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